Lojban In General

Hello, fellow lojbanists.

I am writing sometimes (quite rarely though) to maillist, but,
probably, it would be better if I introduce myself.

You can see my name, and , probably, you can guess that my native
language is Russian.

Lojban is one of my hobbies for a really long time (5 years, I
guess... or even more), but, due to various reasons, I am still le
citno jbopre. Well, that's all in general.

So what about the subject. Russian translations are practically not
present in jbovlaste, but there is almost complete standalone jbo-ru
dictionary, named saxaras (available at lojban.org).

What I want is to upload all these translations to jbovlaste. Long
time ago, I had an account, but, as far as I remember, entering
translations was really tedious process. I would better like to upload
all the data at once. Can anybody help me with it?

I have enough skills to convert saxaras dictionary file to virtually any format.

If it is not possible or undesirable for some reasons, just tell me
and I will start entering data manually.

mu'o

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Posted by rlpowell on Fri 04 of Jul, 2008 06:20 GMT posts: 14214

On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 11:26:20PM +0400, Dmitry Shintyakov wrote:
> So what about the subject. Russian translations are practically
> not present in jbovlaste, but there is almost complete standalone
> jbo-ru dictionary, named saxaras (available at lojban.org).
>
> What I want is to upload all these translations to jbovlaste. Long
> time ago, I had an account, but, as far as I remember, entering
> translations was really tedious process. I would better like to
> upload all the data at once. Can anybody help me with it?

Yes, this is possible. In the past, I've been the only one to write
the code; I'd love if someone else did it this time. I can supply
the code that was used to upload the English gismu list as an
example; it's in Perl.

-Robin

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2008/7/4 Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>:
> On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 11:26:20PM +0400, Dmitry Shintyakov wrote:

>> translations was really tedious process. I would better like to
>> upload all the data at once. Can anybody help me with it?
>
> Yes, this is possible. In the past, I've been the only one to write
> the code; I'd love if someone else did it this time. I can supply
> the code that was used to upload the English gismu list as an
> example; it's in Perl.

It would be very kind of you, to send me that script.

Interface of jbovlaste seems to be changed a lot since last time I saw
it, and the script, probably, needs to be upgraded, am I right?

Actually, I had a hope that keeper of jbovlaste can manually merge
data, prepared by me with jbovlaste database, but upload script is
also fine thing too.
I am also afraid that debugging this script can produce several
spurious entries in database. This is one of reasons why I tried to
avoid making such script by myself.

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Posted by rlpowell on Sat 05 of Jul, 2008 20:15 GMT posts: 14214

On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 10:17:14PM +0400, Dmitry Shintyakov wrote:
> 2008/7/4 Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>:
> > On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 11:26:20PM +0400, Dmitry Shintyakov
> > wrote:
>
> >> translations was really tedious process. I would better like to
> >> upload all the data at once. Can anybody help me with it?
> >
> > Yes, this is possible. In the past, I've been the only one to
> > write the code; I'd love if someone else did it this time. I
> > can supply the code that was used to upload the English gismu
> > list as an example; it's in Perl.
>
> It would be very kind of you, to send me that script.

http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/media/regular/jvs_import/

There's all the snarf (import) scripts, a gismu list that was
imported with them, and the current schema.

> Interface of jbovlaste seems to be changed a lot since last time I
> saw it, and the script, probably, needs to be upgraded, am I
> right?

I doubt it, actually; the word definitions haven't changed much.

> Actually, I had a hope that keeper of jbovlaste can manually merge
> data,

The keeper is only me, and I'm very, very busy lately; I don't have
much time for Lojbanic things. I'd love for other people to work on
jbovlaste, but no-one does.

> prepared by me with jbovlaste database, but upload script is also
> fine thing too.

Merging two databases is hard; referential integrity gets very
tricky. All you should really have to do, though, is give me lists
in the same format as the official gismu and cmavo lists.

> I am also afraid that debugging this script can produce several
> spurious entries in database. This is one of reasons why I tried
> to avoid making such script by myself.

Sure, but that's an easy thing to deal with for me: shut everything
off, take a backup of the database, work until the script is
correct, restore the backup, run the script, turn things back on.

-Robin

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