History: .iens.

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coi rodo I am Jens Gutzeit - .iens.gutsait. - I just started to learn Lojban. If you want to know more about me you should visit my homepage: [http://www.jgutzeit.de] - Unfortunately it is in German. If you want to contact me, send an email to ((mailto:jens@jgutzeit.de)). Apart from that I have collected some information about what has to be done to get a ((Language Code)) according to ISO 639-1/ISO 639-2 for Lojban. ---- You're stating the following on your homepage with regard to Lojban: Lojban ist eine künstliche Sprache, die an keine Sprache erinnert, die es auf der Erde gibt. Ursprünglich sollte sie dazu dienen, eine sprachwissenschaftliche Hypothese zu überprüfen. Mittlerweile ist sie viel mehr. At least for myself, this is not the case ;-) since - from my first running into this conlang - Lojban reminded me somewhat of Native American idoms! Only later, I heard about Sapir and Whorf (who dealt a lot with those languages!). The gismu remind me of Nootka "verbs" (maybe also a bit of Lakhota stative verbs), the "world's view" sometimes seems pretty similar to the Natives view. Just to mention one point here: lb _ti_, _ta_, _tu_ (_vi_, _va_, _vu_ etc.) is the "same" in Lakhota "lé/léna" - "hé/héna" - "ká/kána" - i.e. space (and time) devided in _three_ portions instead of only two like in most other languages. Also, e.g. Lojban _zo'u_ constructions somehow remind me of the common Lakhóta syntax (although I'm not too sure whether it's really comparable or not, but anyway the creator(s) of Lojban might have had the Lakhóta 'topic and comment' model in mind): (lojban) _da de zo'u da prami de_ (Lakhóta) _igmúla sápa mitháwa kin thewáh'ila_ lit.: "cat black of-mine the (=topic) I-love-her (=comment)". Or the system of Lojban attitudinals etc., pretty similar to Lakhóta's elaborated system of enclitics (which - like Lojban attit. - only are to express the _speakers_ attitude/opinion/feeling etc.): _winyan mitháwa kin - themáh'ila s'ni sec'e_ (My wife doesn't love me, I guess/suppose...). -- mi'e ((.aulun.|.aulun.)) Hmm, the claim it isn't similar to any (natural) language, might be a little bit wrong. Thanks for pointing out. Apart from that, if you look at how gismu were created, there has to be similarity with other languages. I'll probably rewrite and extend my page about Lojban after I've finished "Lojban for Beginners". -- mi'e ((.iens.|.iens.)) There are still many other features that "remind" me of other natural languages, e.g. the schwa letter _y_ which obviously goes after the Welsh model, the (multiple) question cmavo obviously modelled after straightforward Hebrew's _ma_ etc. etc. You're right also thinking of the special way of creating (generating!) the Lojban gismu: yet, I'll have to admit that although being familiar with Chinese (a language ranking first among the languages of the Lojban "pool"), it was of rather little help memorizing the vocabulary :(. And, you're absolutely correct: Lojban, IMHO, is the greatest conlang I ever ran into (many of them are pretty boring - Esperanto - pardon!, others, very interesting and intelligent, but - again - Lojban ist great.). --((.aulun.|.aulun.)) I don't agree, Esperanto is not boring. Every language I have learned so far (Lojban is my 4th language) has its own beauty. But I understand that Lojban can be seen a special case. You have all those possibilites to adjust the meaning of your sentences to express exacly what you want. In every other language you have to try very hard to accomplish that. -- mi'e ((.iens.|.iens.)) Oh, of course, there's no need for anybody to agree :) Only wanted to express that Esperanto _for me personally_ never meant an interesting challenge - and my view actually might be wrong at all! My attitude maybe is due to the fact that I'm not very fond of conlangs anyway - except for lojban, which is pretty unique. And you're right with stating that you've got manyfold possibilities to express yourself in Lojban. -- mi'e ((.aulun.|.aulun.))