History: long tanru

Source of version: 2 (current)

__This page was renamed from ''Some'' since that was a really bad name.__ Have I said yet that I suspect that "true" ((Lojban style|Lojbanic style)) might include extremely long ((tanru))? Perhaps it is ((malglico)), or in any case non-((lobykai|Lojbanic)), to desire small words with poignancy. Perhaps the spirit of Lojban is to achieve such shades of meaning not by relying on a huge, historical, subtle vocabulary, but by constructing detailed nuanced ((tanru)) on the spot. By "true" of course I mean trying to go where the internal logic and flow of the language takes us, rather than trying to aim it in a pre-declared direction. The existence and beauty of ((ke)) and ((bo)) hint and encourage us to take ((tanru)) in a direction that ((English)) doesn't want to. A tendency in this direction would address the ((Great Dictionary Problem)), and give us some ((Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis|SW)) effects by providing us with a new, rather poetic, dynamic skill. In ((English)) we pause for a moment and try to recall the One Right Word, whereas perhaps in Lojban we should pause for a moment and construct a monstrous tanru with kes and bos. Unstacking ((ke)) and ((bo)) might be an easier skill then de-((lujvo))-izing, recalling ((rafsi)), and figuring out the place structure of an unfamiliar ((lujvo)). Whatever the case may be, since this is a very un-Englishistic habit, I think I will try to develop it! ''Did I write the above? And why is this page titled "some"? --xod'' (Yes: but I think it would be better not to associate positions with individuals--though this is happening on the Wiki, alas-- so that their IDEAS could be evaluated without the sometimes personal acrimony incurred on ''le jboste''...) ;:''__.ienai__. The anonymity of Wiki drives me bats. Avoidance of personal connotations (and thus acrimony) is one thing, but it's exasperating not to have __some__ kind of identity linking these ideas together, so one can tell if the person who said __X__ here is the same as the one who said __Y__ there... and also just to be able to see how the give-and-take is going in a given discussion! We can't even tell how many people there are, whether two supporting views are from the same person or different ones, etc. (And I also don't know why this page is called "Some") --mi'e ((Mark Shoulson|mark.))'' *It's called '''''some''''' because someone (I thought it was michael (''go'i''), but it could have been ((xod))) on another page created by means of "[[some] people say that" (not verbatim). IOW, just poor ((Wiki-Building Technique)) from a beginner. ((And)) ''I have always been lukewarm to ((lujvo)) but prefer ((tanru)) (or neither, sometimes, going for the ((Gismu Deep Structure|Deep Gismu Structure))). Tanru-heavy sounds good to me! --mi'e ((Mark Shoulson|mark.))'' -- But I must qualify that, I think: long tanru I like, but not very long tanru at the expense of sumti! tanru are ambiguous, and using them to avoid the pain of actually working out where the sumti are supposed to go is sparing yourself at the cost of paining your listener. I'm talking about sentences that are one huge observative tanru. I don't mind claiming responsibility for this paragraph. I haven't found myself using stupendously long tanru though, I think they have been of reasonable length. --xod I agree with the paragraph--for what it's worth, coming from a "newbie". But as was mentioned, on Wiki "ko'a goi le se jinvi cu zifre sepli le jinvi pe ko'a", which helps focus the work/play on the material. --mi'e ((cein)).