Lojban In General

Posted by eyeonus on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 08:57 GMT posts: 86

Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the lesson to
provide an example of what the entries would look like.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to
> discuss this with rodo.
>
> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the
> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do know it's
> possible.
>
> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, that
> being, which entry method would be better for learners?
>
> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
>
> Item:
> text: klama
> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
>
> 2) Individual, i.e.:
>
> Item:
> text: lo klama
> translation: A traveller
>
> Item:
> text: lo se klama
> translation: A traveller's origin
>
> Item:
> text: lo te klama
> translation: A traveller's destination
>
> Item:
> text: lo ve klama
> translation: A route travelled
>
> Item:
> text: lo xe klama
> translation: A method of travelling
>
> 3) Both 1 and 2.
>
> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things
> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that
> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each
> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one
> person be selected to do all the audio?
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Posted by eyeonus on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 08:57 GMT posts: 86

Addendum the second: Apparently, I have to invite people for collaboration,
which requires that any one that wishes to collaborate needs to either be
following me or be enrolled in a goal I created, so if you wish to, do one
of those and I'll invite you to collaborate.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the lesson
> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to
>> discuss this with rodo.
>>
>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the
>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do know it's
>> possible.
>>
>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, that
>> being, which entry method would be better for learners?
>>
>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
>>
>> Item:
>> text: klama
>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
>>
>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo klama
>> translation: A traveller
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo se klama
>> translation: A traveller's origin
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo te klama
>> translation: A traveller's destination
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo ve klama
>> translation: A route travelled
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo xe klama
>> translation: A method of travelling
>>
>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
>>
>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things
>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that
>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each
>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one
>> person be selected to do all the audio?
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Posted by baisong on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 08:58 GMT posts: 99

I haven't taken a hard look at the options available for smart.fm, but I'd
say from my personal study, I prefer the concept on one side, all the
information about it on the other side, and then an example of usage on a
third side if possible.

As for collaborative audio, another platform that could be used (once they
add lojban, of course) is dict.cc, which already streamlines user-driven
online mp3 recording and verification. Dict.cc databases are always
available for download.

mu'o mi'e ku'us

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:52, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the lesson
> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to
>> discuss this with rodo.
>>
>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the
>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do know it's
>> possible.
>>
>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, that
>> being, which entry method would be better for learners?
>>
>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
>>
>> Item:
>> text: klama
>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
>>
>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo klama
>> translation: A traveller
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo se klama
>> translation: A traveller's origin
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo te klama
>> translation: A traveller's destination
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo ve klama
>> translation: A route travelled
>>
>> Item:
>> text: lo xe klama
>> translation: A method of travelling
>>
>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
>>
>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things
>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that
>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each
>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one
>> person be selected to do all the audio?
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

Posted by eyeonus on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 08:58 GMT posts: 86

Addendum the third: Direct link to the lesson: http://smart.fm/goals/179543

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> Addendum the second: Apparently, I have to invite people for collaboration,
> which requires that any one that wishes to collaborate needs to either be
> following me or be enrolled in a goal I created, so if you wish to, do one
> of those and I'll invite you to collaborate.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the lesson
>> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to
>>> discuss this with rodo.
>>>
>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the
>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do know it's
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, that
>>> being, which entry method would be better for learners?
>>>
>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: klama
>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
>>>
>>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo klama
>>> translation: A traveller
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo se klama
>>> translation: A traveller's origin
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo te klama
>>> translation: A traveller's destination
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo ve klama
>>> translation: A route travelled
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo xe klama
>>> translation: A method of travelling
>>>
>>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
>>>
>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things
>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that
>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each
>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one
>>> person be selected to do all the audio?
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Posted by eyeonus on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 08:58 GMT posts: 86

So, you vote all-inclusive, then?

And as for the audio, dict.cc wouldn't be of any help, due to the simple
fact that it doesn't have lojban. If anyone does already have audio of the
1200 or so gismu, THAT would help.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:

> I haven't taken a hard look at the options available for smart.fm, but I'd
> say from my personal study, I prefer the concept on one side, all the
> information about it on the other side, and then an example of usage on a
> third side if possible.
>
> As for collaborative audio, another platform that could be used (once they
> add lojban, of course) is dict.cc, which already streamlines user-driven
> online mp3 recording and verification. Dict.cc databases are always
> available for download.
>
> mu'o mi'e ku'us
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:52, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the lesson
>> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to
>>> discuss this with rodo.
>>>
>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the
>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do know it's
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, that
>>> being, which entry method would be better for learners?
>>>
>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: klama
>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
>>>
>>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo klama
>>> translation: A traveller
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo se klama
>>> translation: A traveller's origin
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo te klama
>>> translation: A traveller's destination
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo ve klama
>>> translation: A route travelled
>>>
>>> Item:
>>> text: lo xe klama
>>> translation: A method of travelling
>>>
>>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
>>>
>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things
>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that
>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each
>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one
>>> person be selected to do all the audio?
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Posted by Eppcott on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 08:58 GMT posts: 4740

Send me a script to read, and I'll make some recordings for you. -Eppcott

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, you vote all-inclusive, then?
>
> And as for the audio, dict.cc wouldn't be of any help, due to the simple
> fact that it doesn't have lojban. If anyone does already have audio of the
> 1200 or so gismu, THAT would help.
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I haven't taken a hard look at the options available for smart.fm, but I'd
>> say from my personal study, I prefer the concept on one side, all the
>> information about it on the other side, and then an example of usage on a
>> third side if possible.
>>
>> As for collaborative audio, another platform that could be used (once they
>> add lojban, of course) is dict.cc, which already streamlines user-driven
>> online mp3 recording and verification. Dict.cc databases are always
>> available for download.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e ku'us
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:52, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the lesson
>>> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to
>>>> discuss this with rodo.
>>>>
>>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the
>>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do know it's
>>>> possible.
>>>>
>>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items,
>>>> that being, which entry method would be better for learners?
>>>>
>>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
>>>>
>>>> Item:
>>>> text: klama
>>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
>>>>
>>>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
>>>>
>>>> Item:
>>>> text: lo klama
>>>> translation: A traveller
>>>>
>>>> Item:
>>>> text: lo se klama
>>>> translation: A traveller's origin
>>>>
>>>> Item:
>>>> text: lo te klama
>>>> translation: A traveller's destination
>>>>
>>>> Item:
>>>> text: lo ve klama
>>>> translation: A route travelled
>>>>
>>>> Item:
>>>> text: lo xe klama
>>>> translation: A method of travelling
>>>>
>>>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
>>>>
>>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
>>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things
>>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that
>>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each
>>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one
>>>> person be selected to do all the audio?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

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Posted by eyeonus on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 08:58 GMT posts: 86

Um, it's the gismu list. Just say the gismu. possibly with lo and
se,te,ve,xe in front. The lesson page shows examples.

Using my previous example, the script for "klama" would be:
klama
lo klama
lo se klama
lo te klama
lo ve klama
lo xe klama

And so on with the other gismu, excluding the te, ve and xe for the gismu
that don't have those places.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:

> Send me a script to read, and I'll make some recordings for you. -Eppcott
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > So, you vote all-inclusive, then?
> >
> > And as for the audio, dict.cc wouldn't be of any help, due to the simple
> > fact that it doesn't have lojban. If anyone does already have audio of
> the
> > 1200 or so gismu, THAT would help.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I haven't taken a hard look at the options available for smart.fm, but
> I'd
> >> say from my personal study, I prefer the concept on one side, all the
> >> information about it on the other side, and then an example of usage on
> a
> >> third side if possible.
> >>
> >> As for collaborative audio, another platform that could be used (once
> they
> >> add lojban, of course) is dict.cc, which already streamlines user-driven
> >> online mp3 recording and verification. Dict.cc databases are always
> >> available for download.
> >>
> >> mu'o mi'e ku'us
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:52, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the
> lesson
> >>> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to
> >>>> discuss this with rodo.
> >>>>
> >>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the
> >>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do
> know it's
> >>>> possible.
> >>>>
> >>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items,
> >>>> that being, which entry method would be better for learners?
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
> >>>>
> >>>> Item:
> >>>> text: klama
> >>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
> >>>>
> >>>> Item:
> >>>> text: lo klama
> >>>> translation: A traveller
> >>>>
> >>>> Item:
> >>>> text: lo se klama
> >>>> translation: A traveller's origin
> >>>>
> >>>> Item:
> >>>> text: lo te klama
> >>>> translation: A traveller's destination
> >>>>
> >>>> Item:
> >>>> text: lo ve klama
> >>>> translation: A route travelled
> >>>>
> >>>> Item:
> >>>> text: lo xe klama
> >>>> translation: A method of travelling
> >>>>
> >>>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
> >>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces
> things
> >>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so
> that
> >>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each
> >>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or
> should one
> >>>> person be selected to do all the audio?
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >>>>
> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >>>
> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >
> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >
> >
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
>
>

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Posted by eyeonus on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 08:58 GMT posts: 86

Also, I've had an idea as to the lesson format. Since items can be used in
multiple lessons, it's relatively easy to make one lesson for all three-
which also helps out learners, who could then choose how they want to learn
the gismu.

As such. The current lesson "Lojban gismu", will contain all the items as in
3), and two more lessons created: "Lojban gismu - place structure" would be
as 1), and "Lojban gismu- sumti" would be as 2).

So, 1) all-inclusive = Lojban gismu - place
structure<http://smart.fm/goals/179606-lojban-gismu-place-structure>
2) Individual = Lojban gismu -
sumti<http://smart.fm/goals/179607-lojban-gismu-sumti>
and 3) both = Lojban gismu <http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu>

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> Um, it's the gismu list. Just say the gismu. possibly with lo and
> se,te,ve,xe in front. The lesson page shows examples.
>
> Using my previous example, the script for "klama" would be:
> klama
> lo klama
> lo se klama
> lo te klama
> lo ve klama
> lo xe klama
>
> And so on with the other gismu, excluding the te, ve and xe for the gismu
> that don't have those places.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Send me a script to read, and I'll make some recordings for you. -Eppcott
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > So, you vote all-inclusive, then?
>> >
>> > And as for the audio, dict.cc wouldn't be of any help, due to the simple
>> > fact that it doesn't have lojban. If anyone does already have audio of
>> the
>> > 1200 or so gismu, THAT would help.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I haven't taken a hard look at the options available for smart.fm, but
>> I'd
>> >> say from my personal study, I prefer the concept on one side, all the
>> >> information about it on the other side, and then an example of usage on
>> a
>> >> third side if possible.
>> >>
>> >> As for collaborative audio, another platform that could be used (once
>> they
>> >> add lojban, of course) is dict.cc, which already streamlines
>> user-driven
>> >> online mp3 recording and verification. Dict.cc databases are always
>> >> available for download.
>> >>
>> >> mu'o mi'e ku'us
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:52, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the
>> lesson
>> >>> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>> eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted
>> to
>> >>>> discuss this with rodo.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete
>> the
>> >>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do
>> know it's
>> >>>> possible.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items,
>> >>>> that being, which entry method would be better for learners?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: klama
>> >>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo klama
>> >>>> translation: A traveller
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo se klama
>> >>>> translation: A traveller's origin
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo te klama
>> >>>> translation: A traveller's destination
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo ve klama
>> >>>> translation: A route travelled
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo xe klama
>> >>>> translation: A method of travelling
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
>> >>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces
>> things
>> >>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so
>> that
>> >>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should
>> each
>> >>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or
>> should one
>> >>>> person be selected to do all the audio?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >>>
>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >
>> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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>> lojban-list-request@lojban.org
>> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
>> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

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Posted by Eppcott on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 08:58 GMT posts: 4740

My offer is that if you will send me the first few gismu that you will
add, I'll record those. Then if you tell me the next set that you
want, I'll record those. I don't have time to record all the gismu, or
decide for you which ones to start with.

-Matt

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> Um, it's the gismu list. Just say the gismu. possibly with lo and
> se,te,ve,xe in front. The lesson page shows examples.
>
> Using my previous example, the script for "klama" would be:
> klama
> lo klama
> lo se klama
> lo te klama
> lo ve klama
> lo xe klama
>
> And so on with the other gismu, excluding the te, ve and xe for the gismu
> that don't have those places.
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Send me a script to read, and I'll make some recordings for you. -Eppcott
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > So, you vote all-inclusive, then?
>> >
>> > And as for the audio, dict.cc wouldn't be of any help, due to the simple
>> > fact that it doesn't have lojban. If anyone does already have audio of
>> > the
>> > 1200 or so gismu, THAT would help.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I haven't taken a hard look at the options available for smart.fm, but
>> >> I'd
>> >> say from my personal study, I prefer the concept on one side, all the
>> >> information about it on the other side, and then an example of usage on
>> >> a
>> >> third side if possible.
>> >>
>> >> As for collaborative audio, another platform that could be used (once
>> >> they
>> >> add lojban, of course) is dict.cc, which already streamlines
>> >> user-driven
>> >> online mp3 recording and verification. Dict.cc databases are always
>> >> available for download.
>> >>
>> >> mu'o mi'e ku'us
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:52, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the
>> >>> lesson
>> >>> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones
>> >>> <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> discuss this with rodo.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do
>> >>>> know it's
>> >>>> possible.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items,
>> >>>> that being, which entry method would be better for learners?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: klama
>> >>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo klama
>> >>>> translation: A traveller
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo se klama
>> >>>> translation: A traveller's origin
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo te klama
>> >>>> translation: A traveller's destination
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo ve klama
>> >>>> translation: A route travelled
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Item:
>> >>>> text: lo xe klama
>> >>>> translation: A method of travelling
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly
>> >>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces
>> >>>> things
>> >>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should
>> >>>> each
>> >>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or
>> >>>> should one
>> >>>> person be selected to do all the audio?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >>>
>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >
>> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org
>> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
>> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
>>
>
>
>
> --
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>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
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Posted by eyeonus on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 08:58 GMT posts: 86

Ah, I see. I'm going in alphabetical order, as they appear on this
list<http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu.txt>,
so just start from the top and work your way down until you get bored or
otherwise elect to stop. So the first few would be:

bacru lo bacru lo se bacru
badna lo badna lo se badna
badri lo badri lo se badri
bajra lo bajra lo se bajra lo te bajra lo ve bajra
bakfu lo bakfu lo se bakfu lo te bakfu
bakni lo bakni lo se bakni
bakri lo bakri lo se bakri lo te bakri

And so on and so forth, down through the list.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My offer is that if you will send me the first few gismu that you will
> add, I'll record those. Then if you tell me the next set that you
> want, I'll record those. I don't have time to record all the gismu, or
> decide for you which ones to start with.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > Um, it's the gismu list. Just say the gismu. possibly with lo and
> > se,te,ve,xe in front. The lesson page shows examples.
> >
> > Using my previous example, the script for "klama" would be:
> > klama
> > lo klama
> > lo se klama
> > lo te klama
> > lo ve klama
> > lo xe klama
> >
> > And so on with the other gismu, excluding the te, ve and xe for the
gismu
> > that don't have those places.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >>
> >> Send me a script to read, and I'll make some recordings for you.
-Eppcott
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > So, you vote all-inclusive, then?
> >> >
> >> > And as for the audio, dict.cc wouldn't be of any help, due to the
simple
> >> > fact that it doesn't have lojban. If anyone does already have audio
of
> >> > the
> >> > 1200 or so gismu, THAT would help.
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I haven't taken a hard look at the options available for smart.fm,
but
> >> >> I'd
> >> >> say from my personal study, I prefer the concept on one side, all
the
> >> >> information about it on the other side, and then an example of usage
on
> >> >> a
> >> >> third side if possible.
> >> >>
> >> >> As for collaborative audio, another platform that could be used
(once
> >> >> they
> >> >> add lojban, of course) is dict.cc, which already streamlines
> >> >> user-driven
> >> >> online mp3 recording and verification. Dict.cc databases are always
> >> >> available for download.
> >> >>
> >> >> mu'o mi'e ku'us
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:52, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com
>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the
> >> >>> lesson
> >> >>> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones
> >> >>> <eyeonus@gmail.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I
wanted
> >> >>>> to
> >> >>>> discuss this with rodo.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do
> >> >>>> know it's
> >> >>>> possible.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual
items,
> >> >>>> that being, which entry method would be better for learners?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Item:
> >> >>>> text: klama
> >> >>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Item:
> >> >>>> text: lo klama
> >> >>>> translation: A traveller
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Item:
> >> >>>> text: lo se klama
> >> >>>> translation: A traveller's origin
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Item:
> >> >>>> text: lo te klama
> >> >>>> translation: A traveller's destination
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Item:
> >> >>>> text: lo ve klama
> >> >>>> translation: A route travelled
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Item:
> >> >>>> text: lo xe klama
> >> >>>> translation: A method of travelling
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will
incorrectly
> >> >>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces
> >> >>>> things
> >> >>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry
so
> >> >>>> that
> >> >>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should
> >> >>>> each
> >> >>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or
> >> >>>> should one
> >> >>>> person be selected to do all the audio?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >> >
> >> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to
lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or
if
> >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >
> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >
> >
>
>
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>

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Posted by eyeonus on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 08:58 GMT posts: 86

Also, you can send them as one continuous file or split them up
individually, or even, if you have Audacity, as an audacity project with
each utterance in it's own channel. The first is less work for me, the
second less for me, and the last somewhere in the middle.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> Ah, I see. I'm going in alphabetical order, as they appear on this list<http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu.txt>,
> so just start from the top and work your way down until you get bored or
> otherwise elect to stop. So the first few would be:
>
> bacru lo bacru lo se bacru
> badna lo badna lo se badna
> badri lo badri lo se badri
> bajra lo bajra lo se bajra lo te bajra lo ve bajra
> bakfu lo bakfu lo se bakfu lo te bakfu
> bakni lo bakni lo se bakni
> bakri lo bakri lo se bakri lo te bakri
>
> And so on and so forth, down through the list.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > My offer is that if you will send me the first few gismu that you will
> > add, I'll record those. Then if you tell me the next set that you
> > want, I'll record those. I don't have time to record all the gismu, or
> > decide for you which ones to start with.
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Um, it's the gismu list. Just say the gismu. possibly with lo and
> > > se,te,ve,xe in front. The lesson page shows examples.
> > >
> > > Using my previous example, the script for "klama" would be:
> > > klama
> > > lo klama
> > > lo se klama
> > > lo te klama
> > > lo ve klama
> > > lo xe klama
> > >
> > > And so on with the other gismu, excluding the te, ve and xe for the
> gismu
> > > that don't have those places.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Send me a script to read, and I'll make some recordings for you.
> -Eppcott
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
> eyeonus@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > So, you vote all-inclusive, then?
> > >> >
> > >> > And as for the audio, dict.cc wouldn't be of any help, due to the
> simple
> > >> > fact that it doesn't have lojban. If anyone does already have audio
> of
> > >> > the
> > >> > 1200 or so gismu, THAT would help.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I haven't taken a hard look at the options available for smart.fm,
> but
> > >> >> I'd
> > >> >> say from my personal study, I prefer the concept on one side, all
> the
> > >> >> information about it on the other side, and then an example of
> usage on
> > >> >> a
> > >> >> third side if possible.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> As for collaborative audio, another platform that could be used
> (once
> > >> >> they
> > >> >> add lojban, of course) is dict.cc, which already streamlines
> > >> >> user-driven
> > >> >> online mp3 recording and verification. Dict.cc databases are always
> > >> >> available for download.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> mu'o mi'e ku'us
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:52, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
> eyeonus@gmail.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the
> > >> >>> lesson
> > >> >>> to provide an example of what the entries would look like.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones
> > >> >>> <eyeonus@gmail.com>
> > >> >>> wrote:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I
> wanted
> > >> >>>> to
> > >> >>>> discuss this with rodo.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to
> complete
> > >> >>>> the
> > >> >>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I
> do
> > >> >>>> know it's
> > >> >>>> possible.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual
> items,
> > >> >>>> that being, which entry method would be better for learners?
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Item:
> > >> >>>> text: klama
> > >> >>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> 2) Individual, i.e.:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Item:
> > >> >>>> text: lo klama
> > >> >>>> translation: A traveller
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Item:
> > >> >>>> text: lo se klama
> > >> >>>> translation: A traveller's origin
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Item:
> > >> >>>> text: lo te klama
> > >> >>>> translation: A traveller's destination
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Item:
> > >> >>>> text: lo ve klama
> > >> >>>> translation: A route travelled
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Item:
> > >> >>>> text: lo xe klama
> > >> >>>> translation: A method of travelling
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> 3) Both 1 and 2.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will
> incorrectly
> > >> >>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces
> > >> >>>> things
> > >> >>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry
> so
> > >> >>>> that
> > >> >>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should
> > >> >>>> each
> > >> >>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or
> > >> >>>> should one
> > >> >>>> person be selected to do all the audio?
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> --
> > >> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> --
> > >> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> > >> >
> > >> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to
> lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> > >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/,
> or if
> > >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> > >
> > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

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Posted by eyeonus on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 08:59 GMT posts: 86

Just as an update, I've managed to get through the gismu list to baxso,
included all the sumti (as in <baxso>, <lo baso>, <lo se baxso>) for each of
the gismu. That equates to 32 gismu and 87 sumti so far. Seeing as my butt
really hurts from sitting in this chair for so long, I'm taking a break for
today- I'll see about getting through another 32 or so gismu tomorrow.

None but the first two- bacru lo bacru lo se bacru, and badri lo badri lo se
badri- have audio recorded for them, so if you are using any of the lessons,
don't pay attention to the computer voice- it's guaranteed to pronounce them
worngly.

I would very much appreciate any contributions any of you care to make,
either by helping make the individual items- which requires typing each one
in, BY HAND, or submitting audio for the gismu. The more work I have to do
myself, the longer it's going to take, and I would really like to have this
finished before 2011.

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> The all-inclusive <http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu> lesson can
> be subscribed to right now, but it only has 6 entries so far. The other two
> have two and four items respectively, and Smart.fm requires a minimum of 5
> items to be able to subscribe to it. As more entries are made, however,
> they'll be able to be subscribed to as well.
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Leon <leon.san.email@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is great. I've been using smart.fm after hearing about it on this
>> mailing list. It's a fantastic resource.
>> I noticed the site is still a little buggy since I had trouble subscribing
>> to one of the Lojban modules. I hope i can subscribe to this one.
>>
>> Leon.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

--
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.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Going to do no'e and to'e as well? :P

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> Just as an update, I've managed to get through the gismu list to baxso,
> included all the sumti (as in <baxso>, <lo baso>, <lo se baxso>) for each of
> the gismu. That equates to 32 gismu and 87 sumti so far. Seeing as my butt
> really hurts from sitting in this chair for so long, I'm taking a break for
> today- I'll see about getting through another 32 or so gismu tomorrow.
>
> None but the first two- bacru lo bacru lo se bacru, and badri lo badri lo
> se badri- have audio recorded for them, so if you are using any of the
> lessons, don't pay attention to the computer voice- it's guaranteed to
> pronounce them worngly.
>
> I would very much appreciate any contributions any of you care to make,
> either by helping make the individual items- which requires typing each one
> in, BY HAND, or submitting audio for the gismu. The more work I have to do
> myself, the longer it's going to take, and I would really like to have this
> finished before 2011.
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> The all-inclusive <http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu> lesson can
>> be subscribed to right now, but it only has 6 entries so far. The other two
>> have two and four items respectively, and Smart.fm requires a minimum of 5
>> items to be able to subscribe to it. As more entries are made, however,
>> they'll be able to be subscribed to as well.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Leon <leon.san.email@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is great. I've been using smart.fm after hearing about it on this
>>> mailing list. It's a fantastic resource.
>>> I noticed the site is still a little buggy since I had trouble
>>> subscribing to one of the Lojban modules. I hope i can subscribe to this
>>> one.
>>>
>>> Leon.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

Posted by eyeonus on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 08:59 GMT posts: 86

Those are cmavo, not gismu. I might do them as well, but not until the gismu
are finished at least.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Arran <arran4@gmail.com> wrote:

> Going to do no'e and to'e as well? :P
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Just as an update, I've managed to get through the gismu list to baxso,
>> included all the sumti (as in <baxso>, <lo baso>, <lo se baxso>) for each of
>> the gismu. That equates to 32 gismu and 87 sumti so far. Seeing as my butt
>> really hurts from sitting in this chair for so long, I'm taking a break for
>> today- I'll see about getting through another 32 or so gismu tomorrow.
>>
>> None but the first two- bacru lo bacru lo se bacru, and badri lo badri lo
>> se badri- have audio recorded for them, so if you are using any of the
>> lessons, don't pay attention to the computer voice- it's guaranteed to
>> pronounce them worngly.
>>
>> I would very much appreciate any contributions any of you care to make,
>> either by helping make the individual items- which requires typing each one
>> in, BY HAND, or submitting audio for the gismu. The more work I have to do
>> myself, the longer it's going to take, and I would really like to have this
>> finished before 2011.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> The all-inclusive <http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu> lesson can
>>> be subscribed to right now, but it only has 6 entries so far. The other two
>>> have two and four items respectively, and Smart.fm requires a minimum of 5
>>> items to be able to subscribe to it. As more entries are made, however,
>>> they'll be able to be subscribed to as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Leon <leon.san.email@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is great. I've been using smart.fm after hearing about it on this
>>>> mailing list. It's a fantastic resource.
>>>> I noticed the site is still a little buggy since I had trouble
>>>> subscribing to one of the Lojban modules. I hope i can subscribe to this
>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> Leon.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Ah, I mean in with the SE cmavo.

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> Those are cmavo, not gismu. I might do them as well, but not until the
> gismu are finished at least.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Arran <arran4@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Going to do no'e and to'e as well? :P
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Just as an update, I've managed to get through the gismu list to baxso,
>>> included all the sumti (as in <baxso>, <lo baso>, <lo se baxso>) for each of
>>> the gismu. That equates to 32 gismu and 87 sumti so far. Seeing as my butt
>>> really hurts from sitting in this chair for so long, I'm taking a break for
>>> today- I'll see about getting through another 32 or so gismu tomorrow.
>>>
>>> None but the first two- bacru lo bacru lo se bacru, and badri lo badri lo
>>> se badri- have audio recorded for them, so if you are using any of the
>>> lessons, don't pay attention to the computer voice- it's guaranteed to
>>> pronounce them worngly.
>>>
>>> I would very much appreciate any contributions any of you care to make,
>>> either by helping make the individual items- which requires typing each one
>>> in, BY HAND, or submitting audio for the gismu. The more work I have to do
>>> myself, the longer it's going to take, and I would really like to have this
>>> finished before 2011.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> The all-inclusive <http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu> lesson
>>>> can be subscribed to right now, but it only has 6 entries so far. The other
>>>> two have two and four items respectively, and Smart.fm requires a minimum of
>>>> 5 items to be able to subscribe to it. As more entries are made, however,
>>>> they'll be able to be subscribed to as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Leon <leon.san.email@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is great. I've been using smart.fm after hearing about it on this
>>>>> mailing list. It's a fantastic resource.
>>>>> I noticed the site is still a little buggy since I had trouble
>>>>> subscribing to one of the Lojban modules. I hope i can subscribe to this
>>>>> one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Leon.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

Posted by eyeonus on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 08:59 GMT posts: 86

What possible reason would I have for doing that?

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Arran <arran4@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ah, I mean in with the SE cmavo.
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Those are cmavo, not gismu. I might do them as well, but not until the
>> gismu are finished at least.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Arran <arran4@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Going to do no'e and to'e as well? :P
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just as an update, I've managed to get through the gismu list to baxso,
>>>> included all the sumti (as in <baxso>, <lo baso>, <lo se baxso>) for each of
>>>> the gismu. That equates to 32 gismu and 87 sumti so far. Seeing as my butt
>>>> really hurts from sitting in this chair for so long, I'm taking a break for
>>>> today- I'll see about getting through another 32 or so gismu tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> None but the first two- bacru lo bacru lo se bacru, and badri lo badri
>>>> lo se badri- have audio recorded for them, so if you are using any of the
>>>> lessons, don't pay attention to the computer voice- it's guaranteed to
>>>> pronounce them worngly.
>>>>
>>>> I would very much appreciate any contributions any of you care to make,
>>>> either by helping make the individual items- which requires typing each one
>>>> in, BY HAND, or submitting audio for the gismu. The more work I have to do
>>>> myself, the longer it's going to take, and I would really like to have this
>>>> finished before 2011.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The all-inclusive <http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu> lesson
>>>>> can be subscribed to right now, but it only has 6 entries so far. The other
>>>>> two have two and four items respectively, and Smart.fm requires a minimum of
>>>>> 5 items to be able to subscribe to it. As more entries are made, however,
>>>>> they'll be able to be subscribed to as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Leon <leon.san.email@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is great. I've been using smart.fm after hearing about it on
>>>>>> this mailing list. It's a fantastic resource.
>>>>>> I noticed the site is still a little buggy since I had trouble
>>>>>> subscribing to one of the Lojban modules. I hope i can subscribe to this
>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

lo to'e mulno
lo to'e se mulno

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> What possible reason would I have for doing that?
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Arran <arran4@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ah, I mean in with the SE cmavo.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Those are cmavo, not gismu. I might do them as well, but not until the
>>> gismu are finished at least.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Arran <arran4@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Going to do no'e and to'e as well? :P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just as an update, I've managed to get through the gismu list to baxso,
>>>>> included all the sumti (as in <baxso>, <lo baso>, <lo se baxso>) for each of
>>>>> the gismu. That equates to 32 gismu and 87 sumti so far. Seeing as my butt
>>>>> really hurts from sitting in this chair for so long, I'm taking a break for
>>>>> today- I'll see about getting through another 32 or so gismu tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> None but the first two- bacru lo bacru lo se bacru, and badri lo badri
>>>>> lo se badri- have audio recorded for them, so if you are using any of the
>>>>> lessons, don't pay attention to the computer voice- it's guaranteed to
>>>>> pronounce them worngly.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would very much appreciate any contributions any of you care to make,
>>>>> either by helping make the individual items- which requires typing each one
>>>>> in, BY HAND, or submitting audio for the gismu. The more work I have to do
>>>>> myself, the longer it's going to take, and I would really like to have this
>>>>> finished before 2011.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The all-inclusive <http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu> lesson
>>>>>> can be subscribed to right now, but it only has 6 entries so far. The other
>>>>>> two have two and four items respectively, and Smart.fm requires a minimum of
>>>>>> 5 items to be able to subscribe to it. As more entries are made, however,
>>>>>> they'll be able to be subscribed to as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Leon <leon.san.email@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is great. I've been using smart.fm after hearing about it on
>>>>>>> this mailing list. It's a fantastic resource.
>>>>>>> I noticed the site is still a little buggy since I had trouble
>>>>>>> subscribing to one of the Lojban modules. I hope i can subscribe to this
>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

Posted by eyeonus on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 09:00 GMT posts: 86

Again, what possible reason would I have for doing that?

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Arran <arran4@gmail.com> wrote:

> lo to'e mulno
> lo to'e se mulno
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> What possible reason would I have for doing that?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Arran <arran4@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, I mean in with the SE cmavo.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Those are cmavo, not gismu. I might do them as well, but not until the
>>>> gismu are finished at least.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Arran <arran4@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Going to do no'e and to'e as well? :P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>>>>> eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just as an update, I've managed to get through the gismu list to
>>>>>> baxso, included all the sumti (as in <baxso>, <lo baso>, <lo se baxso>) for
>>>>>> each of the gismu. That equates to 32 gismu and 87 sumti so far. Seeing as
>>>>>> my butt really hurts from sitting in this chair for so long, I'm taking a
>>>>>> break for today- I'll see about getting through another 32 or so gismu
>>>>>> tomorrow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None but the first two- bacru lo bacru lo se bacru, and badri lo badri
>>>>>> lo se badri- have audio recorded for them, so if you are using any of the
>>>>>> lessons, don't pay attention to the computer voice- it's guaranteed to
>>>>>> pronounce them worngly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would very much appreciate any contributions any of you care to
>>>>>> make, either by helping make the individual items- which requires typing
>>>>>> each one in, BY HAND, or submitting audio for the gismu. The more work I
>>>>>> have to do myself, the longer it's going to take, and I would really like to
>>>>>> have this finished before 2011.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>>>>>> eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The all-inclusive <http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu> lesson
>>>>>>> can be subscribed to right now, but it only has 6 entries so far. The other
>>>>>>> two have two and four items respectively, and Smart.fm requires a minimum of
>>>>>>> 5 items to be able to subscribe to it. As more entries are made, however,
>>>>>>> they'll be able to be subscribed to as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Leon <leon.san.email@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is great. I've been using smart.fm after hearing about it on
>>>>>>>> this mailing list. It's a fantastic resource.
>>>>>>>> I noticed the site is still a little buggy since I had trouble
>>>>>>>> subscribing to one of the Lojban modules. I hope i can subscribe to this
>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Posted by eyeonus on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 09:00 GMT posts: 86

Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio
recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list.

I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself. Assuming
that's correct, here's the sections for everybody:
Me: bacru - daspo
Eppcott: dasri - kagni
Steven Belknap: kajde - nuzba
James: pacna - spisa
Sara: spita - zvati

That's appox. 1/5th of the list for each of us. This is merely a suggestion
of course, but I make the suggestion in order to help make sure that none of
us record audio for the same gismu. Also, I could be wrong as to the amount
of people doing the audio, which would obviously change things a bit.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Posted by eyeonus on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 09:00 GMT posts: 86

Update- I've finally finished putting the audio in for the entries I made
for the lessons. Once I audio for the next set, I'll be putting them in.
Possibly by the end of tomorrow.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio
> recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list.
>
> I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself. Assuming
> that's correct, here's the sections for everybody:
> Me: bacru - daspo
> Eppcott: dasri - kagni
> Steven Belknap: kajde - nuzba
> James: pacna - spisa
> Sara: spita - zvati
>
> That's appox. 1/5th of the list for each of us. This is merely a suggestion
> of course, but I make the suggestion in order to help make sure that none of
> us record audio for the same gismu. Also, I could be wrong as to the amount
> of people doing the audio, which would obviously change things a bit.
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Posted by baisong on Mon 14 of Dec, 2009 13:49 GMT posts: 99

if you have leftovers, i'd love to help out. send a list!

also, i'll be picky because .i mi prami do: i've studied my first thirty
item lesson and i think pretty much all final, unaccented 'a' sounds seem to
be rendered like the english schwa at the beginning and end of the word
'America' ... i.e. it {bajra} sounds like {bajry}

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 06:13, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> Update- I've finally finished putting the audio in for the entries I made
> for the lessons. Once I audio for the next set, I'll be putting them in.
> Possibly by the end of tomorrow.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio
>> recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list.
>>
>> I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself.
>> Assuming that's correct, here's the sections for everybody:
>> Me: bacru - daspo
>> Eppcott: dasri - kagni
>> Steven Belknap: kajde - nuzba
>> James: pacna - spisa
>> Sara: spita - zvati
>>
>> That's appox. 1/5th of the list for each of us. This is merely a
>> suggestion of course, but I make the suggestion in order to help make sure
>> that none of us record audio for the same gismu. Also, I could be wrong as
>> to the amount of people doing the audio, which would obviously change things
>> a bit.
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

Posted by eyeonus on Tue 15 of Dec, 2009 00:00 GMT posts: 86

Are you talking about doing audio, making the entries, or both?

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:

> if you have leftovers, i'd love to help out. send a list!
>
> also, i'll be picky because .i mi prami do: i've studied my first thirty
> item lesson and i think pretty much all final, unaccented 'a' sounds seem to
> be rendered like the english schwa at the beginning and end of the word
> 'America' ... i.e. it {bajra} sounds like {bajry}
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 06:13, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Update- I've finally finished putting the audio in for the entries I made
>> for the lessons. Once I audio for the next set, I'll be putting them in.
>> Possibly by the end of tomorrow.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio
>>> recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list.
>>>
>>> I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself.
>>> Assuming that's correct, here's the sections for everybody:
>>> Me: bacru - daspo
>>> Eppcott: dasri - kagni
>>> Steven Belknap: kajde - nuzba
>>> James: pacna - spisa
>>> Sara: spita - zvati
>>>
>>> That's appox. 1/5th of the list for each of us. This is merely a
>>> suggestion of course, but I make the suggestion in order to help make sure
>>> that none of us record audio for the same gismu. Also, I could be wrong as
>>> to the amount of people doing the audio, which would obviously change things
>>> a bit.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Posted by baisong on Tue 15 of Dec, 2009 00:58 GMT posts: 99

.e

(that means both, right?)

i guess my real question is, what other entries are already in production by
someone else?

fe'omi'e .ku'us

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 07:57, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> Are you talking about doing audio, making the entries, or both?
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> if you have leftovers, i'd love to help out. send a list!
>>
>> also, i'll be picky because .i mi prami do: i've studied my first thirty
>> item lesson and i think pretty much all final, unaccented 'a' sounds seem to
>> be rendered like the english schwa at the beginning and end of the word
>> 'America' ... i.e. it {bajra} sounds like {bajry}
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 06:13, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Update- I've finally finished putting the audio in for the entries I made
>>> for the lessons. Once I audio for the next set, I'll be putting them in.
>>> Possibly by the end of tomorrow.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio
>>>> recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list.
>>>>
>>>> I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself.
>>>> Assuming that's correct, here's the sections for everybody:
>>>> Me: bacru - daspo
>>>> Eppcott: dasri - kagni
>>>> Steven Belknap: kajde - nuzba
>>>> James: pacna - spisa
>>>> Sara: spita - zvati
>>>>
>>>> That's appox. 1/5th of the list for each of us. This is merely a
>>>> suggestion of course, but I make the suggestion in order to help make sure
>>>> that none of us record audio for the same gismu. Also, I could be wrong as
>>>> to the amount of people doing the audio, which would obviously change things
>>>> a bit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

Posted by baisong on Tue 15 of Dec, 2009 01:15 GMT posts: 99

ah, i just saw the 'doling out' list. anyone willing to share their lot?

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 08:55, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:

> .e
>
> (that means both, right?)
>
> i guess my real question is, what other entries are already in production
> by someone else?
>
> fe'omi'e .ku'us
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 07:57, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Are you talking about doing audio, making the entries, or both?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> if you have leftovers, i'd love to help out. send a list!
>>>
>>> also, i'll be picky because .i mi prami do: i've studied my first thirty
>>> item lesson and i think pretty much all final, unaccented 'a' sounds seem to
>>> be rendered like the english schwa at the beginning and end of the word
>>> 'America' ... i.e. it {bajra} sounds like {bajry}
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 06:13, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Update- I've finally finished putting the audio in for the entries I
>>>> made for the lessons. Once I audio for the next set, I'll be putting them
>>>> in. Possibly by the end of tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio
>>>>> recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself.
>>>>> Assuming that's correct, here's the sections for everybody:
>>>>> Me: bacru - daspo
>>>>> Eppcott: dasri - kagni
>>>>> Steven Belknap: kajde - nuzba
>>>>> James: pacna - spisa
>>>>> Sara: spita - zvati
>>>>>
>>>>> That's appox. 1/5th of the list for each of us. This is merely a
>>>>> suggestion of course, but I make the suggestion in order to help make sure
>>>>> that none of us record audio for the same gismu. Also, I could be wrong as
>>>>> to the amount of people doing the audio, which would obviously change things
>>>>> a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>

Posted by eyeonus on Tue 15 of Dec, 2009 08:33 GMT posts: 86

Well, except for the first and last, the list refers to just the audio, so
all the entries of the other ones are available as far as making the entries
is concerned. As far as the audio is concerned, I am unaware of anyone
actually making any so far, other than myself and Matt. and even there the
audio isn't done past my section, so, unless anyone else has complaints,
feel free to work on whatever you want?

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:

> ah, i just saw the 'doling out' list. anyone willing to share their lot?
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 08:55, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> .e
>>
>> (that means both, right?)
>>
>> i guess my real question is, what other entries are already in production
>> by someone else?
>>
>> fe'omi'e .ku'us
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 07:57, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Are you talking about doing audio, making the entries, or both?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> if you have leftovers, i'd love to help out. send a list!
>>>>
>>>> also, i'll be picky because .i mi prami do: i've studied my first thirty
>>>> item lesson and i think pretty much all final, unaccented 'a' sounds seem to
>>>> be rendered like the english schwa at the beginning and end of the word
>>>> 'America' ... i.e. it {bajra} sounds like {bajry}
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 06:13, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Update- I've finally finished putting the audio in for the entries I
>>>>> made for the lessons. Once I audio for the next set, I'll be putting them
>>>>> in. Possibly by the end of tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio
>>>>>> recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself.
>>>>>> Assuming that's correct, here's the sections for everybody:
>>>>>> Me: bacru - daspo
>>>>>> Eppcott: dasri - kagni
>>>>>> Steven Belknap: kajde - nuzba
>>>>>> James: pacna - spisa
>>>>>> Sara: spita - zvati
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's appox. 1/5th of the list for each of us. This is merely a
>>>>>> suggestion of course, but I make the suggestion in order to help make sure
>>>>>> that none of us record audio for the same gismu. Also, I could be wrong as
>>>>>> to the amount of people doing the audio, which would obviously change things
>>>>>> a bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>
>

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Posted by eyeonus on Tue 15 of Dec, 2009 08:38 GMT posts: 86

Regarding <.e>: It means "and" for sumti, as in <mi .e do prami la.lojban>,
but I think that go'i would be a better response, as, while <.e> is
understandable within the context, I don't believe it is a grammatical
utterance, while <go'i> in this case would mean "I am talking about doing
audio, making the entries, or both."

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> Well, except for the first and last, the list refers to just the audio, so
> all the entries of the other ones are available as far as making the entries
> is concerned. As far as the audio is concerned, I am unaware of anyone
> actually making any so far, other than myself and Matt. and even there the
> audio isn't done past my section, so, unless anyone else has complaints,
> feel free to work on whatever you want?
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ah, i just saw the 'doling out' list. anyone willing to share their lot?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 08:55, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> .e
>>>
>>> (that means both, right?)
>>>
>>> i guess my real question is, what other entries are already in production
>>> by someone else?
>>>
>>> fe'omi'e .ku'us
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 07:57, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you talking about doing audio, making the entries, or both?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> if you have leftovers, i'd love to help out. send a list!
>>>>>
>>>>> also, i'll be picky because .i mi prami do: i've studied my first
>>>>> thirty item lesson and i think pretty much all final, unaccented 'a' sounds
>>>>> seem to be rendered like the english schwa at the beginning and end of the
>>>>> word 'America' ... i.e. it {bajra} sounds like {bajry}
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 06:13, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Update- I've finally finished putting the audio in for the entries I
>>>>>> made for the lessons. Once I audio for the next set, I'll be putting them
>>>>>> in. Possibly by the end of tomorrow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>>>>>> eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio
>>>>>>> recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself.
>>>>>>> Assuming that's correct, here's the sections for everybody:
>>>>>>> Me: bacru - daspo
>>>>>>> Eppcott: dasri - kagni
>>>>>>> Steven Belknap: kajde - nuzba
>>>>>>> James: pacna - spisa
>>>>>>> Sara: spita - zvati
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's appox. 1/5th of the list for each of us. This is merely a
>>>>>>> suggestion of course, but I make the suggestion in order to help make sure
>>>>>>> that none of us record audio for the same gismu. Also, I could be wrong as
>>>>>>> to the amount of people doing the audio, which would obviously change things
>>>>>>> a bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Posted by baisong on Tue 15 of Dec, 2009 12:07 GMT posts: 99

alright, i'm starting from r

...i'll see how far i get in the next hour or so and report back!

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 16:36, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> Regarding <.e>: It means "and" for sumti, as in <mi .e do prami la.lojban>,
> but I think that go'i would be a better response, as, while <.e> is
> understandable within the context, I don't believe it is a grammatical
> utterance, while <go'i> in this case would mean "I am talking about doing
> audio, making the entries, or both."
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Well, except for the first and last, the list refers to just the audio, so
>> all the entries of the other ones are available as far as making the entries
>> is concerned. As far as the audio is concerned, I am unaware of anyone
>> actually making any so far, other than myself and Matt. and even there the
>> audio isn't done past my section, so, unless anyone else has complaints,
>> feel free to work on whatever you want?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ah, i just saw the 'doling out' list. anyone willing to share their lot?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 08:55, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> .e
>>>>
>>>> (that means both, right?)
>>>>
>>>> i guess my real question is, what other entries are already in
>>>> production by someone else?
>>>>
>>>> fe'omi'e .ku'us
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 07:57, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Are you talking about doing audio, making the entries, or both?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> if you have leftovers, i'd love to help out. send a list!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> also, i'll be picky because .i mi prami do: i've studied my first
>>>>>> thirty item lesson and i think pretty much all final, unaccented 'a' sounds
>>>>>> seem to be rendered like the english schwa at the beginning and end of the
>>>>>> word 'America' ... i.e. it {bajra} sounds like {bajry}
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 06:13, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Update- I've finally finished putting the audio in for the entries I
>>>>>>> made for the lessons. Once I audio for the next set, I'll be putting them
>>>>>>> in. Possibly by the end of tomorrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>>>>>>> eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio
>>>>>>>> recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself.
>>>>>>>> Assuming that's correct, here's the sections for everybody:
>>>>>>>> Me: bacru - daspo
>>>>>>>> Eppcott: dasri - kagni
>>>>>>>> Steven Belknap: kajde - nuzba
>>>>>>>> James: pacna - spisa
>>>>>>>> Sara: spita - zvati
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's appox. 1/5th of the list for each of us. This is merely a
>>>>>>>> suggestion of course, but I make the suggestion in order to help make sure
>>>>>>>> that none of us record audio for the same gismu. Also, I could be wrong as
>>>>>>>> to the amount of people doing the audio, which would obviously change things
>>>>>>>> a bit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> Regarding <.e>: It means "and" for sumti, as in <mi .e do prami la.lojban>,
> but I think that go'i would be a better response, as, while <.e> is
> understandable within the context, I don't believe it is a grammatical
> utterance,

Actually, it is a grammatical utterance. It is a valid response to a
"ji" question:

A: mi ji do prami la .lojban.
B: .e

>while <go'i> in this case would mean "I am talking about doing
> audio, making the entries, or both."

Without a Lojban version of the question, it's hard to tell.

A: xu do tavla fi lo nu gasnu lo nu sance kei .a lo nu finti lo stecmi
(Are you talking about doing audio and/or making the entries?
B: go'i (Yes, that's what I'm talking about.)

A: pau do tavla fi lo nu gasnu lo nu sance kei ji lo nu finti lo
stecmi (Are you talking about doing audio, or about making the
entries?)
B: .e (Both. I am talking about doing audio and about making the entries.)

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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Posted by baisong on Tue 15 of Dec, 2009 15:10 GMT posts: 99

...Well, I didn't get far. So far I just fixed a few of the schwa-a files
(badna et al, sakta et al, bajra et al)

But I'm trying to be helpful in another way... I believe in modular
workflows and want to help other people get started, so I printed out all
the sumti inversions and gismu (that is, the eventual entire list), and put
them in this publicly-editable spreadsheet:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFJOSmtSanNKQWgwNmRXOEVHNmlBZmc

Stats:
unique gismu: 1342
gismu with 1 sumti:71
gismu with 2 sumti:550
gismu with 3 sumti:530
gismu with 4 sumti:167
gismu with 5 sumti:24
entries total:4891

My idea is this lets people do two things:

1) Anyone can help fill out the 3549 English translations of the inverted
sumti forms. For example, fill in the ??? below:
klama = x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
lo klama = ???
(potential flashcard translation: A traveller)
lo se klama = ???
(potential flashcard translation: A travel destination)
etc.
.
.
.

...unless I'm missing something and there's actually already LLG-approved
english glosses for each gismu's sumti.

2) If anyone wants to take on a section of terms to upload and/or attach
audio to, you can put your name in the 'editing' column and update the chart
when you're done. I've found that smart.fm's content listing view doesn't
display whether or not a custom mp3 has been attached to a card.

This is a really useful free resource. We currently have about 150 cards
completed... if we keep this average and add a few more contributers, it
could be done in a few months.

.ui ki'e co'o

p.s. I think it duplicates items when you update the mp3? I don't think I
have the right privileges to delete the duplicate copies I inadvertantly
made... =/

Posted by cmacis on Tue 15 of Dec, 2009 16:20 GMT posts: 85

I didn't get the instructions. Sorry, but my concentration is shot at the
moment. Could you just write in bullets what I need to do?

James/cmacis

2009/12/15 Oren <get.oren@gmail.com>

> ...Well, I didn't get far. So far I just fixed a few of the schwa-a files
> (badna et al, sakta et al, bajra et al)
>
> But I'm trying to be helpful in another way... I believe in modular
> workflows and want to help other people get started, so I printed out all
> the sumti inversions and gismu (that is, the eventual entire list), and put
> them in this publicly-editable spreadsheet:
>
> https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFJOSmtSanNKQWgwNmRXOEVHNmlBZmc
>
> Stats:
> unique gismu: 1342
> gismu with 1 sumti:71
> gismu with 2 sumti:550
> gismu with 3 sumti:530
> gismu with 4 sumti:167
> gismu with 5 sumti:24
> entries total:4891
>
> My idea is this lets people do two things:
>
> 1) Anyone can help fill out the 3549 English translations of the inverted
> sumti forms. For example, fill in the ??? below:
> klama = x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
> lo klama = ???
> (potential flashcard translation: A traveller)
> lo se klama = ???
> (potential flashcard translation: A travel destination)
> etc.
> .
> .
> .
>
> ...unless I'm missing something and there's actually already LLG-approved
> english glosses for each gismu's sumti.
>
> 2) If anyone wants to take on a section of terms to upload and/or attach
> audio to, you can put your name in the 'editing' column and update the chart
> when you're done. I've found that smart.fm's content listing view doesn't
> display whether or not a custom mp3 has been attached to a card.
>
> This is a really useful free resource. We currently have about 150 cards
> completed... if we keep this average and add a few more contributers, it
> could be done in a few months.
>
> .ui ki'e co'o
>
> p.s. I think it duplicates items when you update the mp3? I don't think I
> have the right privileges to delete the duplicate copies I inadvertantly
> made... =/
>

Posted by baisong on Tue 15 of Dec, 2009 17:02 GMT posts: 99

Yea, sorry, I can use English poorly sometimes...

• Background:*

A single smart.fm gismu card requires three pieces of information:

1. the term (either a gismu like {klava} or a gismu inversion like {lo se
klava}
2. the definition (plain gismu have them already, inversions need them
extracted from the gismu definition)
3. an MP3

I set up the spreadsheet
here1<https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFJOSmtSanNKQWgwNmRXOEVHNmlBZmc>,
which takes care of step (1). All the gismu and all the inversions are
listed there.

• How to help, the easy way (no need to register at smart.fm):*

Unless I'm unaware of some resource, step (2) requires that English
glosses/definitions be fleshed out for all the sumti (taken from the gismu
definitions, see the example in my previous email). So one easy way you can
help out without even needing to register at smart.fm is to go to the
spreadsheet here<https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFJOSmtSanNKQWgwNmRXOEVHNmlBZmc>and
fill in blank definitions for entries that have not been uploaded yet.

• How to help, the longer way (still no need to register at smart.fm):*

Go to the same spreadsheet, and claim a swath of terms to record mp3s for.
Be bold. In the end, mp3 files can be uploaded from your computer or via
URL, so feel free to record even if you don't want to upload the files
yourself as long as you can send the files or upload them somewhere.

• How to help, the awesome way:*

Once a term has a definition and an mp3, it can be uploaded. Here's how to
do it:
1) First register at smart.fm then add the
deck2<http://smart.fm/goals/179543>
as a favorite and await for approval to become a deck contributor (you can
also 'follow' and/or message .aionys. <http://smart.fm/users/aionys> which
might speed this part up).
2) Once you can edit the deck (you'll know when a little green (edit)
appears under the title), click on "Content" then "+ Add item," fill in the
term, definition and mp3 file, hit save and... success.
3) When you've finished uploading, update the spreadsheet.

1 the complete spreadsheet https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFJOSmtSanNKQWgwNmRXOEVHNmlBZmc
2 the deck http://smart.fm/goals/179543

Good luck, and good night!
fe'o mi'e .ku'us.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:16, james riley <jimr1603@gmail.com> wrote:

> I didn't get the instructions. Sorry, but my concentration is shot at the
> moment. Could you just write in bullets what I need to do?
>
> James/cmacis
>
> 2009/12/15 Oren <get.oren@gmail.com>
>
> ...Well, I didn't get far. So far I just fixed a few of the schwa-a files
>> (badna et al, sakta et al, bajra et al)
>>
>> But I'm trying to be helpful in another way... I believe in modular
>> workflows and want to help other people get started, so I printed out all
>> the sumti inversions and gismu (that is, the eventual entire list), and put
>> them in this publicly-editable spreadsheet:
>>
>> https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFJOSmtSanNKQWgwNmRXOEVHNmlBZmc
>>
>> Stats:
>> unique gismu: 1342
>> gismu with 1 sumti:71
>> gismu with 2 sumti:550
>> gismu with 3 sumti:530
>> gismu with 4 sumti:167
>> gismu with 5 sumti:24
>> entries total:4891
>>
>> My idea is this lets people do two things:
>>
>> 1) Anyone can help fill out the 3549 English translations of the inverted
>> sumti forms. For example, fill in the ??? below:
>> klama = x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
>> lo klama = ???
>> (potential flashcard translation: A traveller)
>> lo se klama = ???
>> (potential flashcard translation: A travel destination)
>> etc.
>> .
>> .
>> .
>>
>> ...unless I'm missing something and there's actually already LLG-approved
>> english glosses for each gismu's sumti.
>>
>> 2) If anyone wants to take on a section of terms to upload and/or attach
>> audio to, you can put your name in the 'editing' column and update the chart
>> when you're done. I've found that smart.fm's content listing view doesn't
>> display whether or not a custom mp3 has been attached to a card.
>>
>> This is a really useful free resource. We currently have about 150 cards
>> completed... if we keep this average and add a few more contributers, it
>> could be done in a few months.
>>
>> .ui ki'e co'o
>>
>> p.s. I think it duplicates items when you update the mp3? I don't think I
>> have the right privileges to delete the duplicate copies I inadvertantly
>> made... =/
>>
>
>

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ...unless I'm missing something and there's actually already LLG-approved
> english glosses for each gismu's sumti.

Not exactly LLG-approved, but see:

http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/oblique_keywords.txt

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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Posted by eyeonus on Tue 15 of Dec, 2009 20:50 GMT posts: 86

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:

> ...Once a term has a definition and an mp3, it can be uploaded. Here's how
> to do it:
> 1) First register at smart.fm then add the deck2<http://smart.fm/goals/179543>
> as a favorite and await for approval to become a deck contributor (you can
> also 'follow' and/or message .aionys. <http://smart.fm/users/aionys> which
> might speed this part up)....
>

Sending me a message in Smart.fm is the only way I know that you want to be
a contributor, so it's not really optional. Unless by "speed up" you mean
"make sure it happens this lifetime".

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Posted by eyeonus on Tue 15 of Dec, 2009 21:21 GMT posts: 86

You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the only
person that can.

In order to upload audio to an existing entry, you click on edit for that
item. It looks to me like you tried editing them by clicking on the add item
button.

Once a term has a definition and an mp3, it can be uploaded. Here's how to
do it:
1) First register at smart.fm

then add the deck2 <http://smart.fm/goals/179543> as a favorite and await for approval to become a deck contributor (you can
also 'follow' and/or message .aionys. <http://smart.fm/users/aionys>

which might speed this part up).
2) Once you can edit the deck (you'll know when a little green (edit)
appears under the title), click on "Content" then "+ Add item," fill in the
term, definition and mp3 file, hit save and... success.

• 2a) Click on the "My Items" link at the bottom of the page, go to "Created

Items", select the gismu items you created (the ones that are the gismu
alone), click "Add Items to Goal" (the underlined down arrow at the bottom
of the list), and select the Place Structure goal.

2b)Click on the "My Items" link at the bottom of the page, go to "Created
Items", select the sumti items you created (the ones that begin with <lo>),
click "Add Items to Goal" (the underlined down arrow at the bottom of the
list), and select the Sumti goal.

3) When you've finished uploading, update the spreadsheet.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ...Once a term has a definition and an mp3, it can be uploaded. Here's how
>> to do it:
>> 1) First register at smart.fm then add the deck2<http://smart.fm/goals/179543>
>> as a favorite and await for approval to become a deck contributor (you can
>> also 'follow' and/or message .aionys. <http://smart.fm/users/aionys>which might speed this part up)....
>>
>
> Sending me a message in Smart.fm is the only way I know that you want to be
> a contributor, so it's not really optional. Unless by "speed up" you mean
> "make sure it happens this lifetime".
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Posted by baisong on Wed 16 of Dec, 2009 01:15 GMT posts: 99

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the only
> person that can.
>

I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you didn't
create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one-- so I
can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying to
fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
don't load whatsoever.

fe'o

Posted by eyeonus on Wed 16 of Dec, 2009 20:25 GMT posts: 86

Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.

On 12/16/09, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the only
>> person that can.
>>
>
> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you didn't
> create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one-- so I
> can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying to
> fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
> don't load whatsoever.
>
> fe'o
>

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Posted by eyeonus on Wed 03 of Feb, 2010 00:13 GMT posts: 86

So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from anyone
about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still working on
this?

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
>
> On 12/16/09, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the only
>>> person that can.
>>>
>>
>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you didn't
>> create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one-- so I
>> can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying to
>> fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
>> don't load whatsoever.
>>
>> fe'o
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Posted by eyeonus on Wed 03 of Feb, 2010 00:13 GMT posts: 86

So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from anyone
about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still working on
this?

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
>
> On 12/16/09, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the only
>>> person that can.
>>>
>>
>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you didn't
>> create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one-- so I
>> can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying to
>> fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
>> don't load whatsoever.
>>
>> fe'o
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Posted by eyeonus on Wed 03 of Feb, 2010 00:13 GMT posts: 86

I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I have some
questions about them.

Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se broda....

If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or somewhere in
between?

Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry for all five?

My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each, and to not
make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that the place
structures of these gismu are variable.

On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from anyone
> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still working on
> this?
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
>>
>> On 12/16/09, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the only
>>>> person that can.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you didn't
>>> create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one-- so I
>>> can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying to
>>> fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
>>> don't load whatsoever.
>>>
>>> fe'o
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Posted by baisong on Wed 03 of Feb, 2010 00:13 GMT posts: 99

Haha, sorry, yea I'm still here; just been cramming some work in before the
holidays.

...the holidays are here already, aren't they? Yea, I'll get back on it soon
=p.

co'o mi'e .ku'us.

On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 08:59, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from anyone
> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still working on
> this?
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
>>
>> On 12/16/09, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the only
>>>> person that can.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you didn't
>>> create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one-- so I
>>> can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying to
>>> fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
>>> don't load whatsoever.
>>>
>>> fe'o
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

Posted by PierreAbbat on Wed 03 of Feb, 2010 00:13 GMT posts: 324

On Thursday 24 December 2009 20:11:38 Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote:
> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I have some
> questions about them.
>
> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se broda....
>
> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or somewhere in
> between?
>
> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry for all
> five?
>
> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each, and to not
> make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that the place
> structures of these gismu are variable.

I think you should make one entry for each of the five gismu and no sumti
entries.

Pierre
--
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Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

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What do you mean by "the place structures of these gismu are variable"?
Gismu place structures are as fixed as the gismu themselves.

stevo

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I have some
> questions about them.
>
> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se broda....
>
> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or somewhere in
> between?
>
> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry for all
> five?
>
> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each, and to not
> make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that the place
> structures of these gismu are variable.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from anyone
>> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still working on
>> this?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
>>>
>>> On 12/16/09, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the
>>>>> only person that can.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you didn't
>>>> create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one-- so I
>>>> can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying to
>>>> fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
>>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
>>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
>>>> don't load whatsoever.
>>>>
>>>> fe'o
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

Posted by eyeonus on Wed 03 of Feb, 2010 00:13 GMT posts: 86

Well, here's the definition of broda as taken from the gismu list:

broda predicate var 1 1st assignable
variable predicate (*context determines place structure*)

On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Steven Lytle <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:

> What do you mean by "the place structures of these gismu are variable"?
> Gismu place structures are as fixed as the gismu themselves.
>
> stevo
>
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I have some
>> questions about them.
>>
>> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se broda....
>>
>> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or somewhere
>> in between?
>>
>> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry for all
>> five?
>>
>> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each, and to not
>> make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that the place
>> structures of these gismu are variable.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from anyone
>>> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still working on
>>> this?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/16/09, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the
>>>>>> only person that can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you didn't
>>>>> create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one-- so I
>>>>> can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying to
>>>>> fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
>>>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
>>>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
>>>>> don't load whatsoever.
>>>>>
>>>>> fe'o
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

Posted by baisong on Wed 03 of Feb, 2010 00:13 GMT posts: 99

I think you just swap the first and xth place

{ x1 gismu x2 x3 x4 x5 }
{ x2 se gismu x1 x3 x4 x5 }
{ x3 te gismu x2 x1 x4 x5 }
{ x4 ve gismu x2 x3 x1 x5 }
{ x5 xe gismu x2 x3 x4 x1 }

On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 11:31, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, here's the definition of broda as taken from the gismu list:
>
> broda          predicate var 1                           1st assignable
> variable predicate (context determines place structure)
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Steven Lytle <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> What do you mean by "the place structures of these gismu are variable"?
>> Gismu place structures are as fixed as the gismu themselves.
>>
>> stevo
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I have some
>>> questions about them.
>>>
>>> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se broda....
>>>
>>> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or somewhere
>>> in between?
>>>
>>> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry for all
>>> five?
>>>
>>> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each, and to
>>> not make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that the place
>>> structures of these gismu are variable.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from anyone
>>>> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still working on
>>>> this?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/16/09, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the
>>>>>>> only person that can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you
>>>>>> didn't create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one--
>>>>>> so I can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying
>>>>>> to fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
>>>>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
>>>>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
>>>>>> don't load whatsoever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fe'o
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>

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Posted by Eppcott on Wed 03 of Feb, 2010 00:13 GMT posts: 4740

The holidays have been crazy. I'll get to it in January. -Eppcott

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from anyone
> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still working on
> this?
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
>>
>> On 12/16/09, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the only
>>>> person that can.
>>>
>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you didn't
>>> create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the new one-- so I
>>> can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones I'm trying to
>>> fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find 'delete'
>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes about a
>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' options
>>> don't load whatsoever.
>>>
>>> fe'o
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
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Posted by eyeonus on Wed 03 of Feb, 2010 00:13 GMT posts: 86

That's how the SE cmavo work, yes. That's why {lo xe benji} is "a means of
transmission".

But I don't see the point of bringing that up. The 5 brodV are bridi
variables, like the ko'V pro-sumti variables. They don't have a set
structure. Depending on the context in which they are used, the brodV gismu
can have anywhere between 0(?) and infinity places.

On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think you just swap the first and xth place
>
> { x1 gismu x2 x3 x4 x5 }
> { x2 se gismu x1 x3 x4 x5 }
> { x3 te gismu x2 x1 x4 x5 }
> { x4 ve gismu x2 x3 x1 x5 }
> { x5 xe gismu x2 x3 x4 x1 }
>

>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 11:31, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Well, here's the definition of broda as taken from the gismu list:
> >
> > broda predicate var 1 1st assignable
> > variable predicate (context determines place structure)
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Steven Lytle <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> What do you mean by "the place structures of these gismu are variable"?
> >> Gismu place structures are as fixed as the gismu themselves.
> >>
> >> stevo
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I have some
> >>> questions about them.
> >>>
> >>> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se broda....
> >>>
> >>> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or
> somewhere
> >>> in between?
> >>>
> >>> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry for all
> >>> five?
> >>>
> >>> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each, and to
> >>> not make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that the
> place
> >>> structures of these gismu are variable.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
> eyeonus@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from
> anyone
> >>>> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still
> working on
> >>>> this?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
> eyeonus@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 12/16/09, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
> eyeonus@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the
> >>>>>>> only person that can.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you
> >>>>>> didn't create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the
> new one--
> >>>>>> so I can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones
> I'm trying
> >>>>>> to fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find
> 'delete'
> >>>>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes
> about a
> >>>>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show'
> options
> >>>>>> don't load whatsoever.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> fe'o
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >>>>
> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >>>
> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >
> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >
> >
>
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Posted by eyeonus on Wed 03 of Feb, 2010 00:13 GMT posts: 86

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On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> That's how the SE cmavo work, yes. That's why {lo xe benji} is "a means of
> transmission".
>
> But I don't see the point of bringing that up. The 5 brodV are bridi
> variables, like the ko'V pro-sumti variables. They don't have a set
> structure. Depending on the context in which they are used, the brodV gismu
> can have anywhere between 0(?) and infinity places.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think you just swap the first and xth place
>>
>> { x1 gismu x2 x3 x4 x5 }
>> { x2 se gismu x1 x3 x4 x5 }
>> { x3 te gismu x2 x1 x4 x5 }
>> { x4 ve gismu x2 x3 x1 x5 }
>> { x5 xe gismu x2 x3 x4 x1 }
>>

>>
>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 11:31, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Well, here's the definition of broda as taken from the gismu list:
>> >
>> > broda predicate var 1 1st assignable
>> > variable predicate (context determines place structure)
>> >
>> > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Steven Lytle <lytlesw@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What do you mean by "the place structures of these gismu are variable"?
>> >> Gismu place structures are as fixed as the gismu themselves.
>> >>
>> >> stevo
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>> eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I have some
>> >>> questions about them.
>> >>>
>> >>> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se broda....
>> >>>
>> >>> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or
>> somewhere
>> >>> in between?
>> >>>
>> >>> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry for all
>> >>> five?
>> >>>
>> >>> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each, and to
>> >>> not make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that the
>> place
>> >>> structures of these gismu are variable.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>> eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from
>> anyone
>> >>>> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still
>> working on
>> >>>> this?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>> eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show
>> up.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 12/16/09, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>> eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're
>> the
>> >>>>>>> only person that can.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you
>> >>>>>> didn't create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the
>> new one--
>> >>>>>> so I can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones
>> I'm trying
>> >>>>>> to fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find
>> 'delete'
>> >>>>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It
>> takes about a
>> >>>>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show'
>> options
>> >>>>>> don't load whatsoever.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> fe'o
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >>>
>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >
>> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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>
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