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Tense sumtcita as of 16 Jun 2005

In BPFK Section: Tense sumtcita as of 16 Jun 2005, the examples of di'o do not match the place structure of diklo. E-mail from Yanis Batura:


 The definition and the examples seem very dubious for me, because {diklo} is
 defined as "x1 is local to x2; x1 is confined to locus x2 within range x3".
 {di'o} marks x1 of {diklo}, i. e. something that is local or confined to a
 locus. So {broda di'o da} means that there is / happens {broda} such that
 {da} is confined to its locus. Consider the example {mi se jibri le sampla
 di'o la ibubymym}. If {la ibumbum} is x1 of {diklo}, then {la ibumbum} is
 confined to a locus of where the person works with software. The sentence
 actually means that the whole IBM is local to where the person works with
 software! That is something different from "I work with software at IBM"...

 I hope you got my English.

 mi'e .ianis

Possible actions:

  1. Rule that all usages of "di'o" is in error, and replace real examples with (correct) made-up ones.
  2. Devise a lujvo that fits the place structure of "di'o" as it is actually used.

arj (the original shepherd of the section) recommends alternative #1, as there are a handful of spatial tenses that could easily replace the use of "di'o" as intended.

Text Structure cmavo as of 11 Feb 2005

Jorge says:

This comment is s bit misleading, as it suggests that there is something
special about MAI that breaks LALR(1). But even if MAI were to be removed
from the language, or made prefix, the problem with numbers would remain
just the same, because you can't tell "number MOI", "number ROI" and
"number /BOI/" appart from each other without indefinite lookahead,
the same goes for "lerfu-string MOI" vs. "lerfu-string /BOI/", and I think
compound tags break LALR(1) too.

 "A term is either a sumti or a sumti preceded by a tense or modal tag."

Also: "na ku", "tag ku" and the most weird "fa ku" are terms.

mu'o mi'e xorxes



lojbab says:

1. sei

I think it should be clarified what it means "no trailing sumti", and
possibly rephrased because the "no trailing sumti" should be distinct
from the rest of the definition (as it is, the wording suggests that
there is some other word that starts a discursive bridi that CAN have
trailing sumti).  Putting it in 2 sentences would probably solve this.

For the former comment, it should be noted that
i ku'i fe'e mo'a roi trene sei mi kelci pilno be zo roi
is perfectly legal - i.e. trailing sumti have to be attached with be/bei


  • I suspect, strongly, that this can be fixed in the PEG, but haven't actually looked at it yet. Does anyone know the reason for this restriction? — rlpowell

Created by arj. Last Modification: Tuesday 19 of June, 2007 20:33:37 GMT by rlpowell.