History: BPFK Section: Place Structure cmavo

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Proposed Definitions And Examples

cmavo: fa (FA)

Proposed Definition

1st sumti place — sumti place tag: tag 1st sumti place

See Also

  • {fe}
  • {fi}
  • {fo}
  • {fu}
  • {BAI}

Proposed Keywords

  • 1st sumti place

Usage Examples

i crane abu fa lo drata ke clani vorme
before A there was a different long door

Notes

See the notes section at the bottom of this document.

cmavo: fe (FA)

Proposed Definition

2nd sumti place — sumti place tag: tag 2nd sumti place

See Also

  • {fa}
  • {fi}
  • {fo}
  • {fu}
  • {BAI}

Proposed Keywords

  • 2nd sumti place

Usage Examples

la uorygl cpacu lo rundegji pe lo fonxa gi'e pencu fi lo rundegji fe la .aipad.
woggle gets a phone stylus and touches Ipod with the stylus.

Notes

See the notes section at the bottom of this document.

cmavo: f1 (FA)

Proposed Definition

3rd sumti place — sumti place tag: tag 3rd sumti place

See Also

  • {fa}
  • {fe}
  • {fo}
  • {fu}
  • {BAI}

Proposed Keywords

  • 3rd sumti place

Usage Examples

mi klama fi lo ckule
I come from school.

Notes

See the notes section at the bottom of this document.

cmavo: fo (FA)

Proposed Definition

4th sumti place — sumti place tag: tag 4th sumti place

See Also

  • {fa}
  • {fe}
  • {fi}
  • {fu}
  • {BAI}

Proposed Keywords

  • 4th sumti place

Usage Examples

mi nitcu lonu tavla fo la lojban
I need to talk Lojban!

Notes

See the notes section at the bottom of this document.

cmavo: fu (FA)

Proposed Definition

5th sumti place — sumti place tag: tag 5th sumti place

See Also

  • {fa}
  • {fe}
  • {fi}
  • {fo}
  • {BAI}

Proposed Keywords

  • 5th sumti place

Usage Examples

benji fu lo karce
Delivery by car.

Notes

See the notes section at the bottom of this document.

cmavo: fai (FA)

Proposed Definition

extra sumti place — tag a sumti switched from x1 by jai.

See Also

  • {jai}
  • {fa}

Proposed Keywords

extra sumti place

Usage Examples

ma jai ta'i jukpa fai mi .ei
By what method should I cook?

Notes

  • The CLL does not mention, how fai behaves in a sentence without a jai conversion.


cmavo: jai (JAI)

Proposed Definition

modal conversion. convert tense/modal (tagged) place to 1st place.

See Also

  • {fai}
  • {se}

Proposed Keywords

  • modal conversion

Usage Examples

lo jai gau fagri
The firestarter.
.i mi gleki lo nu la seryf. ba jai gau jufra ti'e
I'm happy seryf's going to do a sentence (i hear).
pe'i denpa bu na'e sidju gi'e jai cfipu po'o
The dot doesn't help, but only confuse.

Notes

  • The original 1st place moves to the {jai} place.
  • By not putting a modal after jai, an abstraction is put into the fai place and the x1 spot becomes a sumti "raised" from that abstraction (thus letting you put any sumti where the place structure requires an abstraction).


Examples of fi'a Usage

Proposed Definition of jaica

jaica (SE*)
time conversion — convert time tense (tagged) place to 1st place; 1st place moves to extra place (fai) --
    • Keywords:

Examples of jaica Usage

Proposed Definition of jaigau

jaigau (SE*)
agent conversion — makes x1 the agent of a bridi; old 1st place moves to extra place (fai) --
    • Keywords:

Examples of jaigau Usage

Proposed Definition of jaivi

jaivi (SE*)
location conversion — convert location tense (tagged) place to 1st place; 1st place moves to extra place (fai) --
    • Keywords:

Examples of jaivi Usage

Proposed Definition of se

se (SE)
2nd conversion — 2nd conversion; switch 1st/2nd places --
    • Keywords:

Examples of se Usage

te (SE)
3rd conversion — 3rd conversion; switch 1st/3rd places --
    • Keywords:

Examples of te Usage

Proposed Definition of ti'o

ve (SE)
4th conversion — 4th conversion; switch 1st/4th places --
    • Keywords:

Examples of ve Usage

Proposed Definition of xe

xe (SE)
5th conversion — 5th conversion; switch 1st/5th places --
    • Keywords:

Examples of xe Usage

Notes

On fa, fe, fi, fo and fu

In combination with xi

Tagging one of fa, fe, fi, fo or fu with xi and a number turns the FA into "tag the nth sumti place".

Resume counting, skipping places

  • Normally, sumti places start with either 1, or 2 (if the first sumti comes after the selbri) and after each sumti, the next place is filled. If the number of places of the selbri is reached, all the next places have an implicit do'e tag.
  • When a sumti place is already filled (for instance, if a FA was used to jump back), that place is 'skipped'

Using a place multiple times

  • Assigning two sumti to the same place directly is like connecting the two sumti with 'e' and putting the result in that place.

Examples

  • da citka de di ~= fa da cikta fe de do'e di (count from one, cikta only has x1 and x2)
  • klama de ~= klama fe de (count from two, as the first sumti comes after the selbri)
  • klama de fa da di ~= klama fe de fa da fi di (do not "overwrite" the second place. skip to the third instead)
  • mi klama fa do ~= fa mi e do klama (assigning two sumti to the same place connects them together)
  • mi klama fa xi mu da ~= mi klama fu da (using xi to turn fa into "tag 5th sumti" (which is the same as fu))

Impact


Missing stuff from this page

  • se, te, ve, xe
  • jaica, jaigau, jaivi were mentioned in the previous version
  • fi'a

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Tue 10 of Jun, 2014 05:18 GMT danr from 24.143.98.100 fi before selbri 18
Tue 10 of Jun, 2014 05:16 GMT danr from 24.143.98.100 comment on do'e 17
Tue 10 of Jun, 2014 05:15 GMT danr from 24.143.98.100 boxin' 'em up 16
Tue 10 of Jun, 2014 03:32 GMT mukti from 68.173.146.212 15
Mon 27 of Dec, 2010 06:16 GMT jcowan from 69.195.52.55 14
Tue 30 of Nov, 2010 21:43 GMT lindarthebard from 32.173.6.23 13
Thu 15 of Apr, 2010 14:23 GMT Eimi from 128.252.20.177 Added an example of SE A. 12
Thu 15 of Apr, 2010 09:50 GMT timonator from 79.228.77.168 removed jaigau, jaivi, jaica. this section is now "finished" and can be discussed or whatever happens next. 11
Wed 14 of Apr, 2010 21:33 GMT Eimi from 128.252.20.177 10
Wed 14 of Apr, 2010 21:32 GMT Eimi from 128.252.20.177 9
Wed 14 of Apr, 2010 19:22 GMT timonator from 88.76.127.86 horizontal rules greatly enhance overview 8
Wed 14 of Apr, 2010 19:09 GMT timonator from 88.76.127.86 added a note on fai not influencing the slot counting, reverted removing the heading for the notes, more whitespace 7
Wed 14 of Apr, 2010 18:56 GMT timonator from 88.76.127.86 made see-also-links more sensible, removed old se,te,ve,xe sections (and from the todo list) 6
Wed 14 of Apr, 2010 18:31 GMT timonator from 88.76.127.86 wrote up some definitions for SE 5
Wed 14 of Apr, 2010 12:15 GMT timonator from 79.228.87.50 added a bit on fi'a, corrected some header levels 4
Wed 14 of Apr, 2010 08:07 GMT timonator from 79.228.87.50 translated examples. 3
Wed 14 of Apr, 2010 08:01 GMT timonator from 79.228.87.50 done some work on FA and JAI. 2
Wed 17 of Nov, 2004 03:20 GMT rlpowell from 64.81.49.171 1