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> > So {ko'a noi brode cu brodi} = {ko'a brode ije ko'a brodi}, but it
> > won't work like that for quantified terms. When you have a quantified
> > term, first you have to take the quantifiers to the prenex and only
> > then apply this transformation, and you can't take the noi outside the
> > scope of the quantifier in such cases.
>
> I only barely followed that. Can you give an example, and do you have a
> solution? Does zo'u work with tu'e?

Well, an example would be something like:

ci prenu noi melbi cu klama
= ci da poi prenu zo'u da noi melbi cu klama
= ci da poi prenu zo'u ge da melbi gi da klama


> > > vu'o | PA1 broda [JOI / A] PA2 brode vu'o [relative] | PA1 broda
> > > [relative] [JOI / A] PA2 brode [relative]
> >
> > This does not always work like that. The relative clause need not be
> > distributive.
>
> Example? Solution?

lo'i broda ku'a lo'i brode vu'o noi se cmima ci da ...
The intersection of the set of broda and the set of brode,
which has 3 members,...

That the intersection has three members does not mean that each
of the sets has three members.

I'm not sure how to write a replacement formula, it's just
a matter of bracketing.

> > > goi, unassigned | [sumti 1] goi [sumti 2] | [sumti 1] poi du
> > > [sumti 2] ku'o
> > > goi, both assigned | [sumti 1] goi [sumti 2] | [sumti 2] poi
> > > binxo da poi mintu [sumti 1] ku'o ku'o
> >
> > These are not true equivalents.
>
> You mean that "du" is wrong, or that he formula are wrong?

There's certainly no binxo going on. If ko'a was my cat and I reassign
the pronoun "ko'a" to something else my cat does not become that something
else.

> > For a general tcita, {fi'o broda}, we would have:
> >
> > pe fi'o broda fe'u sumti = poi ke'a jai broda fai sumti
> >
> > ne fi'o broda fe'u sumti = noi ke'a jai broda fai sumti
>
> Why 'jai'?

Because we don't know in general which place of broda ke'a will fill.
We do know that the tagged sumti will fill the x1 of broda, which goes
to fai after jai conversion.

> > Once we know what po and po'e are, we could probably have
> > similar conversion formulas for them,
>
> I think po'e as it stands is fine; do you have a problem with it?

Other than it is never really needed, no.

mu'o mi'e xorxes




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