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John E Clifford wrote:
> It
>does not mean that its referents are bottle
>without lids, since they are not bottles at all
>in Lojban, not botbi but botpi fo zi'o.
>
(Assuming that the definition of "bottle" includes a lid, even in
English) this argument is unfair. The description of the item is "bottle
without lid", not "bottle". One cannot complain that the description
"bottle without lid" is wrong because it's not a bottle. The description
/says /that it's not a bottle. This is a grouping issue. We can call the
vase "a lidless (bottle)" or "a (lidless bottle)". This translates as
"botpi fo noda" and "botpi fo zi'o", respectively, and referring to the
same physical situation.
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