Lojban In General

Lojban In General


Compound vs Coordinate Bilinguals

posts: 34

>> Most would accept that words in one's native language often
>> carry additional "baggage" beyond the stated definitions.
>
> Well, I would accept that the dictionary definitions are
> completely inadequate to describe a word's usage.

I didn't say dictionary, but you're right. Words are notoriously
difficult to explain/define/delimit.


>> My understanding is that coordinate bilinguals will not even
>> try to find matches, they will simply use the correct word
>> according to the context. Compound bilinguals, on the other
>> hand, will tend to carry the same baggage in each language,
>> and have a much tighter match in semantic mappings.

> Stephen Krashen (http://www.sdkrashen.com) makes a distinction
> between 'learning' and 'acquisition' (I don't remember whether
> he originated this idea). Learning is studying rules and
> vocabulary; acquisition is getting an intuitive feel through
> immersion. It sounds to me that the result of learning is what
> you call here compound bilinguals, and the result of acquisition
> is coordinate bilinguals.

I find his usage very Humpty Dumpty. He's created definitions
of common words, such definitions being at odds with my natural
usage. I'll use them, but I deplore his usage.


>> The thesis to which I referred found that there was no real
>> measurable shift in personality for compound bilinguals, but
>> a clear shift for coordinate bilinguals, which I think is
>> what I would have predicted if the SWH is true.
>
> Since it seems to me that coodinate bilinguals gain their
> ability through immersion, which also almost always includes
> cultural immersion, that comes as no surprise, and doesn't
> require SWH to explain it.

Forgive me if I misunderstand you, but you appear to be interpreting
as constant and unvarying fact something that is simply a correlation.
Some coordinates gain their ability through what Krashen calls
"learning", and some compounds gain their second language through
acquisition.

Further, I didn't say that these things require SWH to explain
them, I meant that I believe a form of SWH to be true (although
possibly not the form S or W would originally have expounded)
and that the findings I have to hand are what I would've predicted.

cdw.


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