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lo te cacra

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cacra is defined in the gismu list as "x1 is x2 hours in duration (default
is 1 hour) by standard x3"

jboski translates lo te cacra as "standard for hour".

This is confusing to me. What standard is being referred to, exactly?

On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:

> coi.ku'us mi krici le du'u do ba nelci.a'o kei lo mi.o'a cnino mekso vau.ui
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> That's how the SE cmavo work, yes. That's why {lo xe benji} is "a means of
>> transmission".
>>
>> But I don't see the point of bringing that up. The 5 brodV are bridi
>> variables, like the ko'V pro-sumti variables. They don't have a set
>> structure. Depending on the context in which they are used, the brodV gismu
>> can have anywhere between 0(?) and infinity places.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think you just swap the first and xth place
>>>
>>> { x1 gismu x2 x3 x4 x5 }
>>> { x2 se gismu x1 x3 x4 x5 }
>>> { x3 te gismu x2 x1 x4 x5 }
>>> { x4 ve gismu x2 x3 x1 x5 }
>>> { x5 xe gismu x2 x3 x4 x1 }
>>>

>>>
looks for reference

>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 11:31, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Well, here's the definition of broda as taken from the gismu list:
>>> >
>>> > broda predicate var 1 1st assignable
>>> > variable predicate (context determines place structure)
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Steven Lytle <lytlesw@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> What do you mean by "the place structures of these gismu are
>>> variable"?
>>> >> Gismu place structures are as fixed as the gismu themselves.
>>> >>
>>> >> stevo
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>>> eyeonus@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I have some
>>> >>> questions about them.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se broda....
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or
>>> somewhere
>>> >>> in between?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry for
>>> all
>>> >>> five?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each, and
>>> to
>>> >>> not make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that the
>>> place
>>> >>> structures of these gismu are variable.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>>> eyeonus@gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from
>>> anyone
>>> >>>> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still
>>> working on
>>> >>>> this?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>>> eyeonus@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show
>>> up.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On 12/16/09, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <
>>> eyeonus@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're
>>> the
>>> >>>>>>> only person that can.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you
>>> >>>>>> didn't create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the
>>> new one--
>>> >>>>>> so I can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones
>>> I'm trying
>>> >>>>>> to fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find
>>> 'delete'
>>> >>>>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It
>>> takes about a
>>> >>>>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show'
>>> options
>>> >>>>>> don't load whatsoever.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> fe'o
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>> >
>>> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>


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de'i li 29 pi'e 12 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Jon Top Hat Jones .fy. cusku zoi
skamyxatra.
> cacra is defined in the gismu list as "x1 is x2 hours in duration (default
> is 1 hour) by standard x3"
>
> jboski translates lo te cacra as "standard for hour".
>
> This is confusing to me. What standard is being referred to, exactly?
.skamyxatra

{lo te cacra} is the definition of "hour" that the speaker is using. See
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hour> for the various ways that it has been
defined throughout history. Theoretically, {lo te cacra} could possibly also
include information related to relativity & time dilation, but that would
probably be better expressed with "{ma'i}."

mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun.

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On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Minimiscience <minimiscience@gmail.com> wrote:
> de'i li 29 pi'e 12 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Jon Top Hat Jones .fy. cusku zoi
> skamyxatra.
>> cacra is defined in the gismu list as "x1 is x2 hours in duration (default
>> is 1 hour) by standard x3"
>>
>> jboski translates lo te cacra as "standard for hour".
>>
>> This is confusing to me. What standard is being referred to, exactly?
> .skamyxatra
>
> {lo te cacra} is the definition of "hour" that the speaker is using.  See
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hour> for the various ways that it has been
> defined throughout history.  Theoretically, {lo te cacra} could possibly also
> include information related to relativity & time dilation, but that would
> probably be better expressed with "{ma'i}."
>
> mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun.
>
> --

te cacra can also be simply something like "mi", meaning "by my
estimation/watch/feelings/standard/system of meausurement it's been X2
hours...." such as "lo nu mi'o denpa fo le nu ve skina cu cacra li mu
mi" — we've been waiting to see this movie for what feels like 5
hours

--gejyspa


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>lo nu mi'o denpa fo le nu ve skina cu cacra li mu mi

Can you explain to me why you used "lo" to describe "nu mi'o denpa"? I am
thinking here of the fact that "lo" is nonspecific, so this makes it sound
like you do not have in mind a specific event of your waiting for the movie
to start, whereas I would have thought that such an event would be specific
to refer to.
Geoff
2010/1/2 Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>

> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Minimiscience <minimiscience@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > de'i li 29 pi'e 12 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Jon Top Hat Jones .fy. cusku zoi
> > skamyxatra.
> >> cacra is defined in the gismu list as "x1 is x2 hours in duration
> (default
> >> is 1 hour) by standard x3"
> >>
> >> jboski translates lo te cacra as "standard for hour".
> >>
> >> This is confusing to me. What standard is being referred to, exactly?
> > .skamyxatra
> >
> > {lo te cacra} is the definition of "hour" that the speaker is using. See
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hour> for the various ways that it has
> been
> > defined throughout history. Theoretically, {lo te cacra} could possibly
> also
> > include information related to relativity & time dilation, but that would
> > probably be better expressed with "{ma'i}."
> >
> > mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun.
> >
> > --
>
> te cacra can also be simply something like "mi", meaning "by my
> estimation/watch/feelings/standard/system of meausurement it's been X2
> hours...." such as "lo nu mi'o denpa fo le nu ve skina cu cacra li mu
> mi" — we've been waiting to see this movie for what feels like 5
> hours
>
> --gejyspa
>
>
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On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Geoff Hacker <geoff.hacker@gmail.com> wrote:
>>lo nu mi'o denpa fo le nu ve skina cu cacra li mu mi
>
> Can you explain to me why you used "lo" to describe "nu mi'o denpa"?

Under xorlo, you don't need any particular reason to use {lo}, since
it is completely generic.

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posts: 86 United States

Right. xorlo makes lo the default gadri instead of le. It's never wrong to
use lo.

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Daniel Brockman <dbrockman@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Geoff Hacker <geoff.hacker@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>lo nu mi'o denpa fo le nu ve skina cu cacra li mu mi
> >
> > Can you explain to me why you used "lo" to describe "nu mi'o denpa"?
>
> Under xorlo, you don't need any particular reason to use {lo}, since
> it is completely generic.
>
> --
> Daniel Brockman
> daniel@gointeractive.se
>
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posts: 11

Wow, that's a great reform! Clearly a few things have changed since I was
last a member of this list... in November 1997!

Cheers,

Geoff

2010/1/3 Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>

> Right. xorlo makes lo the default gadri instead of le. It's never wrong to
> use lo.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Daniel Brockman <dbrockman@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Geoff Hacker <geoff.hacker@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>lo nu mi'o denpa fo le nu ve skina cu cacra li mu mi
>> >
>> > Can you explain to me why you used "lo" to describe "nu mi'o denpa"?
>>
>> Under xorlo, you don't need any particular reason to use {lo}, since
>> it is completely generic.
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Brockman
>> daniel@gointeractive.se
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>