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On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 06:53:02PM -0800, Jorge Llamb?as wrote:
> If {bu}, {zei} and {si} trump {le'u}, that's an exception to
> left-to-right processing. The advantages I can see would be:
> (1) We can re-open the lo'u quote with {si} to keep adding words.
> (2) We can sneak {le'u} inside the quote as {le'u bu} or {le'u
> zei}.
> Any others?

Yes. In fact, it wasn't done for either of those reasons, it was
done so that SA LOhU and SA LEhU would work.

> (1) is not such a big gain because {joi lo'u} will get us about
> the same thing, and saving two syllables for something that will
> come up very rarely does not seem to justify making an exception
> to the general left-to-right rule.

That's a good point; hadn't thought of that.

> (2) Is it very important to be able to quote {le'u} with
> {lo'u ... le'u}?

Hell no; use zoi. That was just a side effect.

I'll go back to lo'u...le'u is all one big mess, of selma'o LOhU for
SA purposes, and reccomend the joi thing.

> As for SA and BAhE, I think both ways are compatible with
> left-to-right. I would prefer that SA does not see BAhE, because
> it would seem that in many cases we might want to emphasize the
> replacement word. We can still replace {ba'e da} with {sa za'e da}
> as long as there was no other intervening KOhA, for example.

  • Ewww*. You want SA to skip BAhE to the *right*? Gross.

> In any case, SA is definitely not worth the trouble and
> complications it causes. People are much more likely to use {si}
> to make corrections anyway:
> mi pilno le pinji lo nu ciska lo xatra
> i pinji si pinsi
> Trying to fix it with {sa} is too hard.

Oh, oh, that reminds me; we need a cmavo for s///. Or at least, I'd
very much like one. It would be of selma'o ZEI, and the semantics
are "pretend the last instance of the word on the left was actually
the word on the right". Oh, and now we can use zo with it and
everyhing. I love this idea, I'm glad I thought of it.

> What happens with {... sa sa da}?

As it says in the SA section, SA SA destroys back to the beginning
of text. So that would be just {da}.



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