Lojban In General

There are at least two ways of interpreting this:
1. Given that I take out the garbage, the probability of Monday is high.
2. Given that a day is Monday, the probability that I take out the garbage is
high.
What do these mean?:
.i mi vimcu lo festi na'o lo lurdei
.i mi na'o vimcu lo festi ca lo lurdei
.i mi vimcu lo festi pe na'o ku ca lo lurdei
.i mi vimcu lo festi ca lo lurdei pe na'o
.i mi vimcu lo'e festi ca lo lurdei
.i mi vimcu lo festi ca lo'e lurdei

mu'omi'e .pier.

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On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> There are at least two ways of interpreting this:
> 1. Given that I take out the garbage, the probability of Monday is high.
> 2. Given that a day is Monday, the probability that I take out the garbage is
> high.
> What do these mean?:
> .i mi vimcu lo festi na'o lo lurdei
> .i mi na'o vimcu lo festi ca lo lurdei
> .i mi vimcu lo festi pe na'o ku ca lo lurdei
> .i mi vimcu lo festi ca lo lurdei pe na'o
> .i mi vimcu lo'e festi ca lo lurdei
> .i mi vimcu lo festi ca lo'e lurdei
>
Here is how I would interpret it:
1. I remove trash, typically on a Monday (but possibly on other days)
2. I typically remove trash on a Monday (that is, that is my usual
activity on a Monday, in contrast to other activities)
3. I remove typical trash (trash from a typical source??) on Monday.
4. I remove the trash on a Monday of a typical (time period? month/year?).
5. I remove the typical type of trash on a Monday.
6. I remove the trash on a typical Monday.

--gejyspa

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On 5/28/08, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> There are at least two ways of interpreting this:
> 1. Given that I take out the garbage, the probability of Monday is high.
> 2. Given that a day is Monday, the probability that I take out the garbage is
> high.

Also:
3. Given that someone takes out the garbage on a Monday, the probability
that that someone is me is high.
4. Given that I take out something on a Monday, the probability that it is the
garbage is high.
5. Given that I do something with the garbage on a Monday, the probability
that what I do with it is take it out is high.

These could be expressed in Lojban thus:

1'- lo lurdei cu fadni lo ka mi vimcu lo festi ca ce'u
2'- lo nu mi vimcu lo festi cu fadni lo ka mi zukte ce'u ca lo lurdei
3'- mi fadni lo ka ce'u vimcu lo festi ca lo lurdei
4'- lo festi cu fadni lo ka mi vimcu ce'u ca lo lurdei
5'- lo ka ce'u vimcu ce'u cu fadni lo ka mi ckini lo festi ce'u ca lo lurdei

> What do these mean?:
> .i mi vimcu lo festi na'o lo lurdei

I think this one would mean that I spend my Mondays taking out
the garbage.

> .i mi na'o vimcu lo festi ca lo lurdei

This one I think would say that my usual occupation is taking
out the garbage on Mondays.

> .i mi vimcu lo festi pe na'o ku ca lo lurdei

I would interpret {lo festi pe na'o ku} as {lo festi poi na'o co'e},
but I'm not sure what kind of garbage that would be.

> .i mi vimcu lo festi ca lo lurdei pe na'o

Similarly, {lo lurdei pe na'o} would seem to be {lo lurdei poi na'o co'e}.
Perhaps that's a normal Monday, which could make this close to 2.

> .i mi vimcu lo'e festi ca lo lurdei

I take out typical garbage on Mondays? I leave the atypical garbage
for other days, or for someone else to take out?

> .i mi vimcu lo festi ca lo'e lurdei

Probably close to 2.

There is also {ta'e} to consider, which supposedly differs from {na'o}.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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The fact that any of the sumti or the selbri of a bridi can be
the focus of "usually" suggests that it really belongs with the
po'o-ji'a group, and indeed this is reasonable: po'o indicates
that it is the only relevant case, ji'a that it is one case in addition
to others, and "usually" that it is a typical or most common case.
The closest I can find in UI for this idea is {ra'u}. This would
give us:

mi ra'u vimcu lo festi ca lo lurdei
It is chiefly me who takes out the garbage on Mondays.

mi vimcu lo festi ra'u ca lo lurdei
It is chiefly garbage that I take out on Mondays.

mi vimcu lo festi ca lo lurdei ra'u
It is chiefly on Mondays that I take out the garbage.

mi vimcu ra'u lo festi ca lo lurdei
It is chiefly taking it out what I do to the garbage on Mondays.

{ra'unai} could then be used in a similar manner for "rarely".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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