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Posted by pdf23ds on Mon 16 of Jun, 2008 06:01 GMT posts: 143 I have this text file with a bunch of lujvo in it. I think it might be noraluj.txt. Anyway, it lines that look like this: grinunjvi:girzu+nu+jivna:tournament:$nu1 $jivna1 $&jivna2 $=girzu1 $jivna3 $jivna4 What does that ampersand mean there? I would figure it's a typeo, but there's a whole bunch of them. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by Anonymous on Mon 16 of Jun, 2008 06:01 GMT On 6/10/08, Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote: > I have this text file with a bunch of lujvo in it. I think it might be > noraluj.txt. Anyway, it lines that look like this: > > grinunjvi:girzu+nu+jivna:tournament:$nu1 $jivna1 $&jivna2 $=girzu1 > $jivna3 $jivna4 > > What does that ampersand mean there? I would figure it's a typeo, but > there's a whole bunch of them. Maybe it means jivna1&jivna2=girzu1, but that's just my guess. What are other examples? mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by Anonymous on Mon 16 of Jun, 2008 06:02 GMT On 6/10/08, Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote: > > Looking at a few of them, it seems plausible. The & is always the same > gismu as the preceeding. But then I saw this one: > > kangri#with+group:cluster:$girzu1 $girzu2 $girzu3 $girzu4 $=kansa1 > $&kansa2 $=kansa3 > > And if your idea were right, you would think that the last one would > be $&kansa3, which would be a silly way to make a lujvo anyway. The =kansa3 makes no sense there, but the & combines kansa1 and kansa2 in the same place. > My > idea is that it's the start of a new place in the luvjo, like > "&broda1" type tokens, and marks something about that place. Like > maybe the way it's combined with the next one? The problem with that > interpretation is that all of the & tokens wouldn't have to have the > same gismu as the preceeding. I don't think so, I think it always combines with the preceding one. > mitsi'u:mintu+simxu:the same to each other:$simxu1 $=mintu1 $&mintu2 $mintu3 > mitsmuvla:mintu+smuni+valsi:synonym:$valsi1 $=mintu1 $mintu2 $mintu3 $valsi3 > > This is an interesting pair of examples. Why would the & be used in > the first but not the second? Because in the first case mintu1 and mintu2 are combined into one place, but in the second case they remain as separate places. > ritna'aterjvi:brito+nanca+te+jivna:British annual/year-long > competition e.g. FA Cup:$jivna3 $jivna1 $&jivna2 $jivna4 > > A lot of them use 'jivna' and 'mintu'. The & is usually between the > first and second place. Which in the case of those two are the ones that could sensibly combine to form one place. > simfra:simxu+frati:interplay:$frati1 $&frati3 $frati2 $frati4 > > Here's one where it's not. Because frati1 can combine with frati3, but combining either with frati2 wouldn't make sense. (I think {frasi'u} is better than {simfra} for the wanted place structure though.) mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by pdf23ds on Mon 16 of Jun, 2008 06:03 GMT posts: 143 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:17 AM, Jorge LlambÃas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote: > On 6/10/08, Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote: >> I have this text file with a bunch of lujvo in it. I think it might be >> noraluj.txt. Anyway, it lines that look like this: >> >> grinunjvi:girzu+nu+jivna:tournament:$nu1 $jivna1 $&jivna2 $=girzu1 >> $jivna3 $jivna4 >> >> What does that ampersand mean there? I would figure it's a typeo, but >> there's a whole bunch of them. > > Maybe it means jivna1&jivna2=girzu1, but that's just my guess. > What are other examples? Looking at a few of them, it seems plausible. The & is always the same gismu as the preceeding. But then I saw this one: kangri#with+group:cluster:$girzu1 $girzu2 $girzu3 $girzu4 $=kansa1 $&kansa2 $=kansa3 And if your idea were right, you would think that the last one would be $&kansa3, which would be a silly way to make a lujvo anyway. My idea is that it's the start of a new place in the luvjo, like "&broda1" type tokens, and marks something about that place. Like maybe the way it's combined with the next one? The problem with that interpretation is that all of the & tokens wouldn't have to have the same gismu as the preceeding. mitsi'u:mintu+simxu:the same to each other:$simxu1 $=mintu1 $&mintu2 $mintu3 mitsmuvla:mintu+smuni+valsi:synonym:$valsi1 $=mintu1 $mintu2 $mintu3 $valsi3 This is an interesting pair of examples. Why would the & be used in the first but not the second? ritna'aterjvi:brito+nanca+te+jivna:British annual/year-long competition e.g. FA Cup:$jivna3 $jivna1 $&jivna2 $jivna4 A lot of them use 'jivna' and 'mintu'. The & is usually between the first and second place. simfra:simxu+frati:interplay:$frati1 $&frati3 $frati2 $frati4 Here's one where it's not. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by lojbab on Mon 16 of Jun, 2008 06:03 GMT posts: 162 Jorge Llambas wrote: > On 6/10/08, Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote: > >>I have this text file with a bunch of lujvo in it. I think it might be >>noraluj.txt. Anyway, it lines that look like this: >> >>grinunjvi:girzu+nu+jivna:tournament:$nu1 $jivna1 $&jivna2 $=girzu1 >>$jivna3 $jivna4 >> >>What does that ampersand mean there? I would figure it's a typeo, but >>there's a whole bunch of them. > > > Maybe it means jivna1&jivna2=girzu1, but that's just my guess. > What are other examples? I don't pretend to know the answer to this, but I strongly suspect that Nick Nicolas invented the codes as part of his lujvo analysis, so if one looks at his paper and associated place structure encodings, one would learn what the codes mean. lojbab To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
