technical bridi place question Posted by pdf23ds on Sun 29 of Jun, 2008 06:42 GMT posts: 143 Use this thread to discuss the technical bridi place question page.
Posted by pdf23ds on Sun 29 of Jun, 2008 06:42 GMT posts: 143 This probably doesn't matter, practically speaking, but in the sentence da broda be de be'o di , is {di} in place 2 or 3 of broda? Jboski says 3, and my parser agrees, but I wanted to make sure. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by Anonymous on Sun 29 of Jun, 2008 14:17 GMT On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:41 AM, Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote: > This probably doesn't matter, practically speaking, but in the sentence > > da broda be de be'o di > > , is {di} in place 2 or 3 of broda? Jboski says 3, and my parser > agrees, but I wanted to make sure. That's what I would expect to. {da de broda be di} is harder to decide. Is {de} the x3 of broda, because the selbri {broda be di} is already reduced by one place, so that its x2 is the x3 of broda? mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by pdf23ds on Sun 29 of Jun, 2008 15:35 GMT posts: 143 On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Jorge LlambÃas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:41 AM, Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote: >> This probably doesn't matter, practically speaking, but in the sentence >> >> da broda be de be'o di >> >> , is {di} in place 2 or 3 of broda? Jboski says 3, and my parser >> agrees, but I wanted to make sure. > > That's what I would expect to. {da de broda be di} is harder > to decide. Is {de} the x3 of broda, because the selbri > {broda be di} is already reduced by one place, so that its > x2 is the x3 of broda? Well, both Lojgloss and jbofi'e assign de to x3, but not for the reason you give (at least in the case of Lojgloss). My algorithm starts filling places of "broda" with the linkargs first, starting at the second place, so first di is assigned x2, then da x1, and then de x3, because it's the next open place. Thus {da fe de broda be di} assigns de to the x2 of broda, where under your interpretation it would be the x3 of broda, being the x2 of {broda be di}. (Jbofi'e once again agrees with Lojgloss.) Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by Anonymous on Tue 01 of Jul, 2008 13:55 GMT On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Jorge LlambÃas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:41 AM, Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote: >>> This probably doesn't matter, practically speaking, but in the sentence >>> >>> da broda be de be'o di >>> >>> , is {di} in place 2 or 3 of broda? Jboski says 3, and my parser >>> agrees, but I wanted to make sure. >> >> That's what I would expect to. {da de broda be di} is harder >> to decide. Is {de} the x3 of broda, because the selbri >> {broda be di} is already reduced by one place, so that its >> x2 is the x3 of broda? > > Well, both Lojgloss and jbofi'e assign de to x3, but not for the > reason you give (at least in the case of Lojgloss). My algorithm > starts filling places of "broda" with the linkargs first, starting at > the second place, so first di is assigned x2, then da x1, and then de > x3, because it's the next open place. Thus {da fe de broda be di} > assigns de to the x2 of broda, where under your interpretation it > would be the x3 of broda, being the x2 of {broda be di}. (Jbofi'e once > again agrees with Lojgloss.) Although you can't always trust jbofi'e. After all, in "da broda de fe di it assigns de to the X3 place, but the refgram (chapter 9, 3.9) specifically says that both "de" and "di" should be the f2 places. I'm not sure what the rule is with "be"-implicitly-tagged places would/should be, though. --gejyspa (and yeah, I did comment on jbogloss 2.0.0, saying that on Windows XP it was giving me a windows error message when I tried to run it...) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by pdf23ds on Wed 02 of Jul, 2008 01:14 GMT posts: 143 Ugh. Meant to reply off-list, sorry... On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 20:12, Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 08:44, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: >> --gejyspa (and yeah, I did comment on jbogloss 2.0.0, >> saying that on Windows XP it was giving me a windows error message >> when I tried to run it...) > > You commented on my blog? I'm afraid it didn't show up. Ugh. I'd hate > to think people have been unable to comment for the past couple > months. > > Chris Capel To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by pdf23ds on Wed 02 of Jul, 2008 01:14 GMT posts: 143 On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 08:44, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: > --gejyspa (and yeah, I did comment on jbogloss 2.0.0, > saying that on Windows XP it was giving me a windows error message > when I tried to run it...) You commented on my blog? I'm afraid it didn't show up. Ugh. I'd hate to think people have been unable to comment for the past couple months. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
