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    Posted by PierreAbbat on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 11:39 GMT posts: 324

    I got a message this morning saying that a jbovlaste entry had been edited, so
    I clicked on the link. I get a window saying "jbovlaste.lojban.org contacted.
    Waiting for reply..." and it hangs there for a minute or two, then comes up
    with the page. Anyone else having this problem?

    Pierre


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    Posted by timonator on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 11:39 GMT posts: 85851

    Pierre Abbat wrote:
    > I got a message this morning saying that a jbovlaste entry had been edited, so
    > I clicked on the link. I get a window saying "jbovlaste.lojban.org contacted.
    > Waiting for reply..." and it hangs there for a minute or two, then comes up
    > with the page. Anyone else having this problem?
    >
    > Pierre

    lojban.org is hosted on amazon cloudfront and we are currently experiencing cpu
    steal, that's why the website is so slow - sometimes so slow that it wont work
    at all :-(

    mu'o mi'e timos


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    Posted by timonator on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 11:44 GMT posts: 85851


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    > Pierre

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    Pierre Abbat wrote:
    > I got a message this morning saying that a jbovlaste entry had been edi=
    ted, so=20
    > I clicked on the link. I get a window saying "jbovlaste.lojban.org cont=
    acted.=20
    > Waiting for reply..." and it hangs there for a minute or two, then come=
    s up=20
    > with the page. Anyone else having this problem?
    >=20
    > Pierre

    lojban.org is hosted on amazon cloudfront and we are currently experienci=
    ng cpu
    steal, that's why the website is so slow - sometimes so slow that it wont=
    work
    at all :-(

    mu'o mi'e timos


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    Posted by PierreAbbat on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 11:50 GMT posts: 324

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    On Friday 07 August 2009 18:28:18 Timo Paulssen wrote:
    > lojban.org is hosted on amazon cloudfront and we are currently experiencing
    > cpu steal, that's why the website is so slow - sometimes so slow that it
    > wont work at all :-(

    What's cloudfront? What's CPU steal?

    Pierre


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    Posted by PierreAbbat on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 11:51 GMT posts: 324

    On Friday 07 August 2009 18:28:18 Timo Paulssen wrote:
    > lojban.org is hosted on amazon cloudfront and we are currently experiencing
    > cpu steal, that's why the website is so slow - sometimes so slow that it
    > wont work at all :-(

    What's cloudfront? What's CPU steal?

    Pierre


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    Posted by "Jack Aviado" on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 11:55 GMT
    On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 05:21:00 -0500, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>

    wrote:

    > On Friday 07 August 2009 18:28:18 Timo Paulssen wrote:
    >> lojban.org is hosted on amazon cloudfront and we are currently
    >> experiencing
    >> cpu steal, that's why the website is so slow - sometimes so slow that it
    >> wont work at all :-(
    >
    > What's cloudfront? What's CPU steal?
    >
    > Pierre

    A storm is interfering with the networking and someone stole the processor.

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    Posted by brablonau on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 11:55 GMT posts: 80

    "Jack Aviado" <vonunov@gmail.com> writes:

    > On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 05:21:00 -0500, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>

    > wrote:
    >
    > > On Friday 07 August 2009 18:28:18 Timo Paulssen wrote:
    > >> lojban.org is hosted on amazon cloudfront and we are currently
    > >> experiencing
    > >> cpu steal, that's why the website is so slow - sometimes so slow that it
    > >> wont work at all :-(
    > >
    > > What's cloudfront? What's CPU steal?
    > >
    > > Pierre
    >
    > A storm is interfering with the networking and someone stole the processor.

    Well, if you go with the Lojban seltau-tertau word order, that'd be "a
    cloud type of in-front thing" and a "CPU stealer". ;)


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    Posted by kolin.rait on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 11:55 GMT posts: 34

    Pierre,

    > Timo Paulssen wrote:
    >> lojban.org is hosted on amazon cloudfront and we
    >> are currently experiencing cpu steal, that's why
    >> the website is so slow - sometimes so slow that
    >> it won't work at all :-(
    >
    > What's cloudfront? What's CPU steal?

    No one has answered seriously or sensibly, because both
    questions are easily answered by Google.


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    Posted by lukebergen on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 11:55 GMT posts: 493

    Oh, in that case http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cloudfront


    On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 6:01 AM, Colin Wright <
    colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> wrote:

    > Pierre,
    >
    > > Timo Paulssen wrote:
    > >> lojban.org is hosted on amazon cloudfront and we
    > >> are currently experiencing cpu steal, that's why
    > >> the website is so slow - sometimes so slow that
    > >> it won't work at all :-(
    > >
    > > What's cloudfront? What's CPU steal?
    >
    > No one has answered seriously or sensibly, because both
    > questions are easily answered by Google.
    >
    >
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    Posted by totus on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 11:55 GMT posts: 65


    > Pierre,
    >
    > > Timo Paulssen wrote:
    > >> lojban.org is hosted on amazon cloudfront and we
    > >> are currently experiencing cpu steal, that's why
    > >> the website is so slow - sometimes so slow that
    > >> it won't work at all :-(
    > >
    > > What's cloudfront? What's CPU steal?
    >
    > No one has answered seriously or sensibly, because both
    > questions are easily answered by Google.
    >

    An unreasonable, snarky and unhelpful response to a perfectly reasonable question!

    Is it really so difficult to write in language that doesn't require us to
    go to Google, dictionaries and encyclopedias to figure out what's meant?

    No wonder newbies who are not savvy in IT, linguistics or logic are scared
    away from lojban!

    totus


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    Posted by rlpowell on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 11:55 GMT posts: 14214

    On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 06:21:00AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote:
    > On Friday 07 August 2009 18:28:18 Timo Paulssen wrote:
    > > lojban.org is hosted on amazon cloudfront and we are currently
    > > experiencing cpu steal, that's why the website is so slow -
    > > sometimes so slow that it wont work at all :-(
    >
    > What's cloudfront? What's CPU steal?

    We actually use EC2, not cloudfront; in both cases the answer is "a
    hosting service".

    CPU steal is when other virtualized servers are getting CPU time
    such that whatever virtualized server you're looking at isn't
    getting as much as it should. If that means nothing to you, then:
    I'm not getting as much CPU on lojban.org as I pay for.

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    Posted by PierreAbbat on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 11:55 GMT posts: 324

    On Monday 10 August 2009 06:01:04 Colin Wright wrote:
    > Pierre,
    >
    > > Timo Paulssen wrote:
    > >> lojban.org is hosted on amazon cloudfront and we
    > >> are currently experiencing cpu steal, that's why
    > >> the website is so slow - sometimes so slow that
    > >> it won't work at all :-(
    > >
    > > What's cloudfront? What's CPU steal?
    >
    > No one has answered seriously or sensibly, because both
    > questions are easily answered by Google.

    I did google "cloudfront cpu steal" and could not figure out from the answers
    what it is. ga'idai se'anai. I got hits in which "cloud" happened to be
    followed by "front" and "cpu" and "steel" were in the same page. I've seen
    the word "cloud" in a computing context but haven't figured out what it
    means.

    Pierre


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    Posted by kolin.rait on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 11:55 GMT posts: 34

    >>>> lojban.org is hosted on amazon cloudfront and we
    >>>> are currently experiencing cpu steal, that's why
    >>>> the website is so slow - sometimes so slow that
    >>>> it won't work at all :-(
    >>>
    >>> What's cloudfront? What's CPU steal?
    >>
    >> No one has answered seriously or sensibly, because
    >> both questions are easily answered by Google.
    >>
    >
    > An unreasonable, snarky and unhelpful response to a
    > perfectly reasonable question!

    It was intended to be none of the above.

    > Is it really so difficult to write in language that
    > doesn't require us to go to Google, dictionaries and
    > encyclopedias to figure out what's meant?

    I didn't know what the answers were, so I typed the query into
    Google and got sufficient explanation to be content that I knew
    enough for myself. I'm still not an expert, and hence felt
    ill-equiped to give a detailed explanation. Referring the
    questioner to an alternative source of information seemed the
    best idea.

    > No wonder newbies who are not savvy in IT, linguistics or
    > logic are scared away from lojban!

    Any more than apparently being completely ignored? OK, I won't
    bother replying at all, then, unless I feel I'm an expert.

    No wonder people might feel that this group simply ignores them.


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    Posted by kolin.rait on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 11:59 GMT posts: 34

    > On Monday 10 August 2009 06:01:04 Colin Wright wrote:
    >> Pierre,
    >>
    >> > Timo Paulssen wrote:
    >> >> lojban.org is hosted on amazon cloudfront and we
    >> >> are currently experiencing cpu steal, that's why
    >> >> the website is so slow - sometimes so slow that
    >> >> it won't work at all :-(
    >> >
    >> > What's cloudfront? What's CPU steal?
    >>
    >> No one has answered seriously or sensibly, because both
    >> questions are easily answered by Google.
    >
    > I did google "cloudfront cpu steal" and could not figure
    > out from the answers what it is. ga'idai se'anai. I got hits
    > in which "cloud" happened to be followed by "front" and "cpu"
    > and "steel" were in the same page. I've seen the word "cloud"
    > in a computing context but haven't figured out what it means.

    Pierre, thank you for that clarification. As I've just written
    elsewhere, I'm not enough of an expert to answer your questions,
    but I do observe that you've already done more homework than
    most poeple would do. Please don't take this the wrong way, but
    my answer would've been completely different had I known you had
    made some effort before asking the question.

    Again, my intent was not to be snarky or dismissive. If it appeared
    that way to you then I apologise unreservedly.


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    Posted by lukebergen on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:00 GMT posts: 493

    I was intending to be "snarky" but that was only because I'm used to dealing
    with my computer illiterate friends and family that are always asking
    questions that could very easily me answered by google. I didn't realize
    that you had already googled and come up empty handed.

    I found the following which you might find useful:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_CloudFront

    As for cpu steal, this is what happens when one physical machine hosts
    multiple services and one service starts hogging all of the cpu thus
    "stealing" cpu cycles from the other services.

    mi'e pafcribe


    On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Colin Wright <
    colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> wrote:

    > > On Monday 10 August 2009 06:01:04 Colin Wright wrote:
    > >> Pierre,
    > >>
    > >> > Timo Paulssen wrote:
    > >> >> lojban.org is hosted on amazon cloudfront and we
    > >> >> are currently experiencing cpu steal, that's why
    > >> >> the website is so slow - sometimes so slow that
    > >> >> it won't work at all :-(
    > >> >
    > >> > What's cloudfront? What's CPU steal?
    > >>
    > >> No one has answered seriously or sensibly, because both
    > >> questions are easily answered by Google.
    > >
    > > I did google "cloudfront cpu steal" and could not figure
    > > out from the answers what it is. ga'idai se'anai. I got hits
    > > in which "cloud" happened to be followed by "front" and "cpu"
    > > and "steel" were in the same page. I've seen the word "cloud"
    > > in a computing context but haven't figured out what it means.
    >
    > Pierre, thank you for that clarification. As I've just written
    > elsewhere, I'm not enough of an expert to answer your questions,
    > but I do observe that you've already done more homework than
    > most poeple would do. Please don't take this the wrong way, but
    > my answer would've been completely different had I known you had
    > made some effort before asking the question.
    >
    > Again, my intent was not to be snarky or dismissive. If it appeared
    > that way to you then I apologise unreservedly.
    >
    >
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    Posted by stevo on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:00 GMT posts: 381

    In a message dated 8/10/2009 20:15:27 Eastern Daylight Time,
    colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com writes:


    > >>> What's cloudfront? What's CPU steal?
    > >>
    > >> No one has answered seriously or sensibly, because
    > >> both questions are easily answered by Google.
    >

    I had exactly the same two questions, but realized I could Google them, and
    found enough of an answer to satisfy my mild curiosity. Just FYI.

    stevo

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    Posted by PierreAbbat on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:00 GMT posts: 324

    On Monday 10 August 2009 19:24:25 Robin Lee Powell wrote:
    > We actually use EC2, not cloudfront; in both cases the answer is "a
    > hosting service".
    >
    > CPU steal is when other virtualized servers are getting CPU time
    > such that whatever virtualized server you're looking at isn't
    > getting as much as it should. If that means nothing to you, then:
    > I'm not getting as much CPU on lojban.org as I pay for.

    ki'edo mi jimpe .i le tanru pu cfipu mi

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    Posted by lukebergen on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:00 GMT posts: 493

    .u'i .i mi se spaji lo nu pilno zo tanru lo glico jufra

    mi'e pafcribe

    On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:


    > On Monday 10 August 2009 19:24:25 Robin Lee Powell wrote:
    > > We actually use EC2, not cloudfront; in both cases the answer is "a
    > > hosting service".
    > >
    > > CPU steal is when other virtualized servers are getting CPU time
    > > such that whatever virtualized server you're looking at isn't
    > > getting as much as it should. If that means nothing to you, then:
    > > I'm not getting as much CPU on lojban.org as I pay for.
    >
    > ki'edo mi jimpe .i le tanru pu cfipu mi
    >
    > mu'omi'e .pier.
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    Posted by PierreAbbat on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:04 GMT posts: 324

    On Tuesday 11 August 2009 01:30:25 Luke Bergen wrote:
    > .u'i .i mi se spaji lo nu pilno zo tanru lo glico jufra

    le tanru cu du zoi gy. CPU steal .gy. I had no idea whether someone stole a
    CPU, or a CPU stole something, or someone stole something using a CPU.

    Pierre


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    Posted by Arran on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:04 GMT

    How many lojbanists does it take to change a broken light bulb?

    On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:


    > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 01:30:25 Luke Bergen wrote:
    > > .u'i .i mi se spaji lo nu pilno zo tanru lo glico jufra
    >
    > le tanru cu du zoi gy. CPU steal .gy. I had no idea whether someone stole a
    > CPU, or a CPU stole something, or someone stole something using a CPU.
    >
    > Pierre
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    On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:46:57 -0500, Arran <arran4@gmail.com> wrote:

    > How many lojbanists does it take to change a broken light bulb?

    What kind of lightbulb? How was it broken? How do you mean, "change"?
    There are many ways to change something.


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    Posted by Minimiscience on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:04 GMT posts: 3588

    de'i li 18 pi'e 08 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Arran .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra.
    > How many lojbanists does it take to change a broken light bulb?
    .skamyxatra

    No one knows. They started discussing how bright the lightbulb should have
    been before it broke, and they have yet to reach an agreement.

    mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun.

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    Posted by Jonathan on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:04 GMT

    And just what the heck is broken light, anyway?

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    Posted by stevo on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:04 GMT posts: 381

    In a message dated 8/18/2009 01:16:55 Eastern Daylight Time,
    vonunov@gmail.com writes:


    > On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:46:57 -0500, Arran <arran4@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > > How many lojbanists does it take to change a broken light bulb?
    >
    > What kind of lightbulb? How was it broken? How do you mean, "change"?
    > There are many ways to change something.
    >

    And what kind of bulb emits broken light?

    stevo

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    Posted by John E Clifford on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:04 GMT

    Ah, the old jokes are still the best — and with a range of new punchlines even.





    From: "MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com" <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com>
    To: lojban-list@lojban.org
    Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:10:42 AM
    Subject: lojban Re: webserver hosed?

    In a message dated 8/18/2009 01:16:55 Eastern Daylight Time, vonunov@gmail.com writes:



    On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:46:57 -0500, Arran <arran4@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >> How many lojbanists does it take to change a broken light bulb?
    >
    >
    >What kind of lightbulb? How was it broken? How do you mean, "change"?
    >
    >There are many ways to change something.
    >
    >

    And what kind of bulb emits broken light?

    stevo



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