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    Posted by lukebergen on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:51 GMT posts: 493

    wait, so the syllables of tcidu are "tcid" and "u". I would think that they
    were "tci" and "du". Is it also "klam" - "a"?

    Is there some formal definition for how syllables work in lojban?

    On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:56 PM, <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:

    > In a message dated 9/7/2009 18:17:36 Eastern Daylight Time,
    > lukeabergen@gmail.com writes:
    >
    >
    > 1) the main selbri of a bridi must start with the same phoneme that the
    > previous main selbri ended in (e.g. mi tcidu lo cukta .i do dunli lo gerku)
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > In this example it looks like the "du" of "tcidu" was carried over to the
    > "du" of "dunli". But the last *phoneme *of "tcidu" is "u", not "du",
    > which is its last syllable.
    >
    > stevo

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    Posted by PierreAbbat on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:48 GMT posts: 324

    On Monday 07 September 2009 21:37:38 Luke Bergen wrote:
    > wait, so the syllables of tcidu are "tcid" and "u". I would think that
    > they were "tci" and "du". Is it also "klam" - "a"?
    >
    > Is there some formal definition for how syllables work in lojban?

    I think that the guy who wrote the rules got syllables and phonemes confused.
    The only brivla that can start with "u" is a type-4 fu'ivla, such as "urdine"
    (a kind of fungus).

    Pierre


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    Posted by lukebergen on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:48 GMT posts: 493

    ok, yes, I partially mis-read stevo and partially mis-understood him.

    In any event, this discussion (while educational) is avoiding the original
    topic. Who wants to continue playing the game? Or maybe it could/will just
    stay in IRC in an informal way (or not)

    On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:


    > On Monday 07 September 2009 21:37:38 Luke Bergen wrote:
    > > wait, so the syllables of tcidu are "tcid" and "u". I would think that
    > > they were "tci" and "du". Is it also "klam" - "a"?
    > >
    > > Is there some formal definition for how syllables work in lojban?
    >
    > I think that the guy who wrote the rules got syllables and phonemes
    > confused.
    > The only brivla that can start with "u" is a type-4 fu'ivla, such as
    > "urdine"
    > (a kind of fungus).
    >
    > Pierre
    >
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    Posted by stevo on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:48 GMT posts: 381

    In a message dated 9/7/2009 23:27:45 Eastern Daylight Time,
    lukeabergen@gmail.com writes:


    > In any event, this discussion (while educational) is avoiding the
    > original topic. Who wants to continue playing the game? Or maybe it could/will
    > just stay in IRC in an informal way (or not)
    >

    Lojban is the game. All others are distractions. Sorry.

    stevo

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    Posted by stevo on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:51 GMT posts: 381

    In a message dated 9/7/2009 21:42:52 Eastern Daylight Time,
    lukeabergen@gmail.com writes:


    > wait, so the syllables of tcidu are "tcid" and "u". I would think that
    > they were "tci" and "du". Is it also "klam" - "a"?
    >

    No, how did you get that? Single consonants between vowels belong to the
    following vowel. So, of course, the syllables of "tcidu" are "tci" and
    "du". "Klama" is "kla" and "ma".
    But the final phonemes of each of those gismu are "u" and "a", respectively.

    stevo

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    Posted by Minimiscience on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:51 GMT posts: 3588

    de'i li 07 pi'e 09 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Luke Bergen .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra.
    > wait, so the syllables of tcidu are "tcid" and "u". I would think that they
    > were "tci" and "du". Is it also "klam" - "a"?
    >
    > Is there some formal definition for how syllables work in lojban?
    .skamyxatra

    Firstly, stevo said that "du" is the last syllable of "{tcidu}," while "u" is
    its last phoneme. (At least, that's how I read it; if he had responded in
    Lojban instead of English we would know for certain.) Secondly, rules for
    syllable division are given in section 3.9 of the CLL, yet they are explicitly
    conventional only.

    mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun.

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