History: BPFK gismu Section: Parenthetical Remarks in Brivla Definitions

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!Work in progress This is going to look horribly messy while I hunt down references and stuff to put in. Please feel free to not use the Discuss tab, with one exception: __links to prior discussion on this topic is desperately needed__, since at this point I'm mostly working from fuzzy notions in my head on "what someone, somewhere, might have said". !The problem The gismu list contains portions that are enclosed in parentheses or square brackets. It is a contentious issue whether these parenthetical remarks have any normative bearing on the meaning of the gismu, and if they have, what kind of interpretation they should have. This problem is exacerbated by the fact that an effort is underway to define as many lujvo as possible with definitions in the style of the gismu list. These definitions must now be called into question, to the extent that the authors' understanding of the meaning of parenthetical remarks differ from that of the gismu list, and from each others'. Information on parsing the byte-and-column format of the gismu lists can be found at ((Format of Gismu Lists)). This page concerns only interpretation of data in the "official place structure" and "additional information" fields (columns 62-157 and 165+, respectively) in the gismu files. !!A sub-case: subcategorisation of abstraction types It is very common in gismu definitions to mention kinds of abstractions in parentheses. Examples of this are: ;ruble:x1 is weak/feeble/frail in property/quality/aspect x2 (ka) by standard x3 ;sarcu:x1 (abstract) is necessary/required for continuing state/process x2 under conditions x3 ;sruma:x1 assumes/supposes that x2 (du'u) is true about subject x3; [[epistemology] Some of these may be due to attempts to impart a sense of intensionality before an article type that could accommodate it (see ((BPFK Section: gadri))) came about (Alexander 1994). Indeed the CLL explicitly says that "ka" properties are "what logicians call "intensions"." (Cowan 1997) See also: ((BPFK gismu Section: Problems With ka)). !Relation to design criteria It is sometimes said (e.g. in Cowan 1997) that gismu are intended to "blanket semantic space". This has led to the emergence of the view that the meaning of gismu should be as wide as possible. It is easy to narrow down a sense by constructing lujvo or fu'ivla, but it is much more difficult to combine gismu to construct a sense that is broader. Hence, if there are two competing interpretive conventions for gismu definitions, one which consistently results in narrow senses, and another which consistently results in comparatively broad senses, according to this view one should prefer the broadness-maximising convention. On the other hand, Cowan (1991) also notes that gismu should not be seen as semantic primitives. !Evidence from usage An accurate interpretation of these parenthetical notations may be deduced from the use cases which were historically used to create the gismu. !Recommendation !References Iain Alexander, 1994. Posting on Lojban mailing list. Subject: TECH: RE: do djica loi ckafi je'i tcati. Search for "any-old-<x>" on [http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9409/msg00111.html]. John Cowan, 1991. Loglan and Lojban: A Linguist's Questions And An Amateur's Answers. [http://www.lojban.org/files/why-lojban/reply.txt] John Cowan, 1997. The Complete Lojban Language. Logical Language Group Lojban Wiki, 2003. ((factivity of djuno)).

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