History: BPFK gismu Section: Problems With ka

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jarco is broken, it's just a question of how. Either:

  • jarco means "x1 showes itself to have property x2", which is of limited utility and contradicted by its notes, OR
  • jarco means "x1 shows something unspecifiable to have property x2", which is just plain broken


Both Bob and John believe that the second option is true, and that the problem is that jarco uses the old (pre-du'u) definition of ka. This is borne out by the following phrase in the notes: (simple presence could be expressed by leka object cu zvati), which is totally illegal under the current ka.

I'm not sure how to fix this. I think the right thing is to put a "thing having property" place between the x2 and x3. Fixes the problem, doesn't screw usage too badly (I doubt anyone much used the x3), and doesn't put the thing far away from its property in the place structure) as making the thing the x4 would. I'm totally open to suggestions, though.

Bob notes that we need to look for other cases.

There are 163 gismu that contain "propert" or the word "ka". They are listed below. I would like someone else to check them, please. I do enough around here. You're looking for "ka" (or, equivalently, "property" places) for which the thing having the property is in any way unclear.

bancu
banli
bapli
barda
bebna
canja
carmi
caxno
cedra
cenba
cfila
cfipu
ciksi
cimde
cimni
cinmo
cinse
cipra
cirko
ciste
citsi
cizra
ckaji
ckasu
ckiku
ckire
cmalu
cmima
cmoni
cnano
cnemu
cnici
cnino
condi
cumki
curve
daplu
darno
darsi
denmi
dikni
dinko
dirba
drani
dukti
dunda
dunli
fadni
fange
fengu
fetsi
frica
friti
funca
ganse
girzu
gradu
gunma
jarco
jbera
jbini
jdika
jdima
jendu
jerna
jgira
jibni
jicmu
jilra
jimte
jinga
jinzi
julne
jurme
kajde
kalsa
kampu
kandi
kantu
karbi
kargu
klesi
kruvi
kufra
lacpu
lakne
lamji
lebna
lenjo
linsi
makcu
manfo
mansa
mapti
melbi
milxe
minra
mleca
mulno
mupli
mutce
nakni
pajni
panra
patxu
pijne
pindi
pleji
pluja
prali
prane
rafsi
ralci
ralju
ranji
ranxi
ratni
ricfu
rimni
rirci
ruble
sampu
sarxe
satci
selci
simlu
simsa
sisku
skicu
slabu
steci
stika
stodi
suksa
talsa
tansi
tarci
tarti
tcini
tengu
traji
trina
troci
tsali
tsapi
vajni
vamji
vecnu
vidru
vipsi
vitci
vitno
vrici
vrusi
xajmi
xislu
xrani
zasni
zbepi
zdile
zenba
zmadu
zunti

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