History: BPFK gismu Section: Problems With ka

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jarco is broken, it's just a question of how. Either: * jarco means "x1 showes itself to have property x2", which is of limited utility and contradicted by its notes, OR * jarco means "x1 shows something unspecifiable to have property x2", which is just plain broken Both Bob and John believe that the second option is true, and that the problem is that jarco uses the old (pre-du'u) definition of ka. This is borne out by the following phrase in the notes: (simple presence could be expressed by leka [object] cu zvati), which is totally illegal under the current ka. I'm not sure how to fix this. I think the right thing is to put a "thing having property" place between the x2 and x3. Fixes the problem, doesn't screw usage too badly (I doubt anyone much used the x3), and doesn't put the thing far away from its property in the place structure) as making the thing the x4 would. I'm totally open to suggestions, though. Bob notes that we need to look for other cases. There are 163 gismu that contain "propert" or the word "ka". They are listed below. I would like someone else to check them, please. I do enough around here. You're looking for "ka" (or, equivalently, "property" places) for which the thing having the property is in any way unclear. bancu banli bapli barda bebna canja carmi caxno cedra cenba cfila cfipu ciksi cimde cimni cinmo cinse cipra cirko ciste citsi cizra ckaji ckasu ckiku ckire cmalu cmima cmoni cnano cnemu cnici cnino condi cumki curve daplu darno darsi denmi dikni dinko dirba drani dukti dunda dunli fadni fange fengu fetsi frica friti funca ganse girzu gradu gunma jarco jbera jbini jdika jdima jendu jerna jgira jibni jicmu jilra jimte jinga jinzi julne jurme kajde kalsa kampu kandi kantu karbi kargu klesi kruvi kufra lacpu lakne lamji lebna lenjo linsi makcu manfo mansa mapti melbi milxe minra mleca mulno mupli mutce nakni pajni panra patxu pijne pindi pleji pluja prali prane rafsi ralci ralju ranji ranxi ratni ricfu rimni rirci ruble sampu sarxe satci selci simlu simsa sisku skicu slabu steci stika stodi suksa talsa tansi tarci tarti tcini tengu traji trina troci tsali tsapi vajni vamji vecnu vidru vipsi vitci vitno vrici vrusi xajmi xislu xrani zasni zbepi zdile zenba zmadu zunti

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