History: Calendar Proposals

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The __canonical__ Lojban calendric system(s) are discussed in [http://www.opoudjis.net/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less5days.html] ; they are number-based. (January = ''pavmast.'', Sunday = ''nondjed.'') ---- The chief holiday is Logfest, held on a weekend in July on various dates. ---- There are exactly twelve color ''gismu'' (see: [http://members.tripod.co.uk/lojbanlinks/skari.html),] & various attempts to match up the regular months of the year have been proposed. E.g. in the beginners' stuff in this order: blabi, grusi, xekri, xunre, crino, blanu, pelxu, cicna, nukni, zirpu, bunre, narju le'i mastycme la labmast. la ri'ormast. la nukmast. la rusymast. la blamast. la zirmast. la xekmast. la pelmast. la burmast. la xunmast. la cicnymast. la najymast. ---- The days of the week have been correlated to metals, & other sets of mnemonic or mythological names... E.g. we can translate our existing weekdays back into planets & then into the lojbanic names for their traditional metal correspondences: le'i jefcme monday= la rijdei tuesday= la tirdei wednesday= la magdei thursday= la tincydei friday= la tukydei saturday= la nisydei sunday= la slodei the traditional assignment of colors to planets gives: monday white = la labdei tuesday red = la xundei wednesday gray = la rusydei thursday blue = la bladei friday green = la ri'ordei saturday black = la xekydei sunday yellow = la peldei ---- Another proposal uses the signs of the zodiac for months and the Japanese and Korean names for the days of the week. See ((Dates and Times)) in the Phrasebook. ---- What about using the ((Discordian Calendar))? I can't be the only ((Discordian)) jbopre. ---- Or what about discarding calanders and referring to the approximate number of seconds passed since some epoch (UNIX epoch, or Global Positioning System Epoch, etc (1970 and 1980 respectively))? For referencing the time within the day you could discuss the absolute time modulo the number of seconds in a day. ''Base 60 time is ugly enough; base 86400 is right out. You could, however, discuss the portion of the day that has elapsed (as a decimal), thus getting a sort of "metric time" such as .78342 (''pize bici vore''), which could be thought of as 7:83:42 in a time system with 100 seconds (.864 of an ordinary second) in a minute, 100 minutes in an hour, and 10 hours in a day.'' ''Of course, let me establish right now that I don't honestly believe anyone would use that, but it's fun to make proposals like that. I may as well go one step farther and suggest hexadecimal time, with 16 hours in a day, 16 minutes in an hour, and 256 "seconds" in a minute, and times expressed like .3DB7 (''pi cijau feize''). That one's sure to satisfy those who want a new time system and those who want hexadecimal to be default, while actually being usable to no one. :) --((rab.spir))'' la'e li ro ju'u dau ba na se pilno --((tinkit)) ''Clearly, year 1 (the only calendar with a zero was that of the Khmer Rouge, not an example we wish to follow) should be the date of the start of the Loglan project, or possibly of the split between Loglan and Lojban. - mi'e ((kreig.daniyl.))'' ''Clearly more Lojbanic would be that everyone use the year they joined the community as year 1, after all we do have a place for the calendar. This way we have a perfectly unambiguous and perfectly confusing system.''--mi'e ((xorxes)) What about ((native speakers|jbojbe?)) Year of birth? First word? Fluency? ''Maybe the year of their first ((Logfest)).'' Then you can't undrestand those whose age in the community you don't know. Be aware that the constructed-calendar scene is as complex and populous and varied (and as full of crackpots) as the ((conlang|constructed language)) scene. I'll try to get you some links of where you can look, but suffice to say that there are ''many'' weird, whacky, and wonderful (and less-than-wonderful) calendars that have been developed that could be used as a Lojban calendar (''i.e.'', you can probably find ((lobykai|Lojban-nature)) in them). ''--mi'e mark.'' We shouldn't use Earth years and days or moon months to tell time in a logical language--especially since the ((Lojbanistan|land where lojban is spoken most)) might be on a different planet ((;-))). How about something based directly on the atomic standard, measured in hertz/KHz/MHz/etc as needed? --mi'e ((cein)). ---- Hello people. Got two things to put to you today. One of them is the use of pi'e meaning "part of" to separate hours from minutes from seconds etc. That's fine. I can work with that, because seconds are parts of minutes are parts of hours. But when it comes to using this system to separate days from months, and months from years, I have a problem. Months are not parts of days and years are not parts of months. Surely if we're being correct, the format is (in logical order): year, month, day, hour, minute, second? Another thing. Seen as this is for new calendar proposals, here's an idea that might suit: - Years in the Common Era only are used (AD, not BC) - called "orbits" (BC < 0) - Next, each day is numbered from 000 to 364 (365 in leap years) - Then, we take the decimal time of each day eg 12:00 = 0.50000 For the time, three decimal places may be fine, but for more precision, five should really be used. My current timestring is: 2005.097.02361 (Y2005 M04 D07 00:34Z)

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