History: Resurrected gismu

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''nalmorsi gismu'' Nope, that's just not-dead. Try krefu zasti selstidi. ''zombi gismu'' ? .i ca mapti ---- I just noticed [http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9207/msg00090.html] . So ''that's'' where all those gismu went that you thought it strange that Lojban didn't have. __birda__ billiards: x1 plays billiards with x2 __didni__ deduce: x1 deduces that x2 is true about x3 from general rule x4 __ditcu__ duration: x1 is the time-duration/interval/period/[[elapsed time] of event x2 (cf. cacra, cedra, citsi, ranji, tcika, junla, renvi, temci, canlu) __firca__ flirt: x1 flirts with x2 by doing x3 __gumri__ mushroom: x1 is a mushroom of species x2 * The reason Lojbab regrets the loss of this is because it is wonderful for referring to things of mushroom shape, and now there is no easy way to do so. ** Also because using ''mledi'' for edible fungi [http://www.eclipse.net/~mecurtin/foresmut/squick.htm|squicks] him, thanks to its unfortunate keyword "mold". (Shoulda been "fungus" -- ((John Cowan)).) **Aha! Yet again, ((Misleading Gismu Keywords|Keyword Considered Harmful))! -- nitcion * It's also just simply a beautiful word. * ''ledgrute'' to me means the fruiting body of any fungus, whether mushroom or bread mold stalks or whatever. Let's bring back ''gumri''. --phma ** Well, ''mledi grute'' is any fruiting body of a fungus (among other things). The whole point of a lujvo is that you pick one particular meaning and make that the only one that the lujvo means. "Mushroom" is a more useful meaning (apparently) than "fruiting body of a fungus," so it seems quite reasonable to declare ''that'' the meaning of the lujvo ''ledgrute''. *** The trouble with ''gumri'' is that it purports to specify a kind of fungus by its shape, but mushrooms come in many shapes (the prototypical shape being an ''Agaricus'', I suppose). Puffballs in their edible state, e.g., are spherical. *** Arbitrarily limiting a lujvo to what seems to be useful seems to me incredibly ((malglico)). Ideally, the point of lujvo is to pick one ((gismu deep structure)) and make that what the lujvo means (in which case ''ledgrute'' means ''grute lo mledi'' and includes non-mushrooms). *** It has the risk of being malglico, but it's not intrinsically so. In fact, usefulness is the only sane criterion for picking a gismu deep structure out of the candidates in the first place. **** Okay, but it's not a sane criterion for limiting ''ledgrute'' to mushroom-shaped fruiting bodies of fungi as opposed to all fruiting bodies of fungi. ** Quick everyone! Blacken your home page and put "I Support ''gumri''" into your .sigs! :) --((Jay Kominek|jay)) __nusna__ induction: x1 induces x2 about x3 from specific facts x4 __[http://www.lojban.org/jbovlaste/dict/parji |parji]__ parasite: x1 is a parasite/parasitic on x2 (not necessarily alive) ** If x2 (or x1; it isn't totally clear; this is part of why we have Lojban) isn't necessarily alive, how can x1, by definition, be a parasite? Or is this just for metaphorical usage? --((UserPagePlasticRaven|Plastic Raven)) __pilda__ pale: x1 is pale (This one has actually been used in a ((poem)), see [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jbosnu/message/219]) [http://www.lojban.org/jbovlaste/dict/sicpi | __sicpi__] rain: x1 is a quantity/expanse of rain (liquid precipitation) (cf. bratu, carvi, dilnu, santa, snime, tcima, bisli, bumru) ''bratu, snime, and sicpi can all carvi'' * Yes, but so can ''djacu''. Is __sicpi__ simply ''djacu je carvi''? ** Actually, it's something like ''jaclitki je carvi'', but this is the specific word for a common item. ''bratu'' is simply ''bisli je carvi'' also.

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