History: date/time bridi

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What we need is not more ways to try to make collections of digits into a date, but something which actually refers to the date, no matter what context it's in, using the places of a bridi. The result will be longer, but will create things which are unquestionably dates and which have clearly-specified places, instead of assuming that any number which fills a "date" place is some sort of date. I'll use a fu'ivla, because no ((seljvajvo)) lujvo could possibly have this place structure without being entirely unwieldy. I'll base it on ''tcika'' and ''detri'', though. dreika: x1 is the interval of time in year x1, month x2, day x3, hour x4, minute x5, and second x6 by calendar x7 (In alternate calendars, change "month" to whatever is an appropriate intermediate interval between years and days.) So here are some examples: ;''le dreika be li 2001'': the year 2001 ;''le dreika befi li 27'': the 27th ;''le dreika be li 2001 bei li 9 bei li 22 bei li 17 bei li 18'': September 22, 2001, at 5:18 PM (note that ''bei li'' has the same number of syllables as ''pi'e'', so the length isn't that bad) ;''calenu dreika li 2001 li 9 li 22 li 17 li 18'': on September 22, 2001 at 5:18 PM ((rab.spir)) ---- How do you express the seconds and the calendar in ''le dreika befo li 17 beifu li 25 ...''? - Oh, ''le dreika befo li 17 bei li 25 bei li 13 bei...'' But __just__ seconds and calendar? You can add a subscript to se and fa. Right. For an example, (I'm starting to like detytcika better) {ti detytcika li 3167 faxize ((Discordian Calendar|la diskordian.))} There are other brivla which have more than 5 places - ((jutsi)) does, not to mention various ((seljvajvo)) lujvo. ''I can see myself preferring "ci'e" to "faxize" in real usage. --xod'' ---- ''And what do you do for those who dislike ((type 4 fu'ivla))?'' A non-seljvajvo lujvo is probably better than the creation (as opposed to the evolution of) a type 4 fu'ivla. And it's embarrassing to have to import a word for the idea of "timestamp". * If you prefer: ''detytcika''.It is embarrassing that a word like this doesn't exist already, yes. The gismu list suggests that dates and times could be expressed by "unit values massified with joi"; unfortunately, there __are__ no Lojban units for a position in time, only duration. That is what I hope to provide with this brivla (and, to address the complaint below, I'm describing the use of this ((brivla)) in a ((bridi))). I use the names of months with the place structure "x1 is (e.g.) December of year x2". It's not a jvajvo, but it makes it possible to say a date verbosely. --((phma)) ---- Also, shouldn't this be Date/Time bridi valsi or Date/Time brivla? It isn't usually a whole bridi.

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