History: fundamentalism

Source of version: 2 (current)

The following is formulated by ((nitcion)), and reflects his opinions; I am happy to revise it if people think it mischaracterises or trivialises issues. A value held, orthogonally to ((hardliners|hardlinerism)), which states that the Lojban ((baseline)) (where it is unambiguous and has not been overwhelmingly trumped by usage --- ''ka'' being a counterexample) is inviolable, and attempts to revise it through proposal (or even, in extreme cases, through usage) are unwelcome. ((Jay Kominek)) has a statement pretty close to this view. The label ''fundamentalism'', while jocular and alluding to schools of literalist thought, is actually intended as an allusion to the ''Fundamento de Esperanto'', the Esperanto counterpart of the ((baseline)), which has served as a similar rallying point in that language's history. The antonym has not yet been devised, and should not be devised hastily; people who dislike the baseline may still choose to adhere to it (((And)) has a statement in the works close to this, I believe), and shouldn't be conflated with those who think the language must evolve unfettered by any baseline (which is actually pretty much ((Lojban Central))'s official position.) * Right after a statement close to that, however, ((And|he)) says "... I am in favour of anything that subverts the baseline ...". Can we use an antonymn along the lines of "saboteur" zo'o? ((Jordan DeLong|I)) believe ((Lojban Central))'s position is a bit closer to one of the baseline ruling until there are enough speakers (at level of fluency greater than any current speakers have) to allow a more natural (very slow) language evolution. --mi'e ((.djorden.)) Like I said, please feel free to comment on any misstatements. ---- Thats a reasonable, though heavily abbreviated of ((Jay Kominek|my actual position)). I am, however, willing to entertain changes to the semantics which are pushed through usage. (Of course, to convince me of a meaningful amount of usage, you'd have to write at least a novella with your usage... Didn't say it'd be easy. :) --((Jay Kominek|jay)) Oh, I'd say 'semantic change unwelcome' is an extreme flavour of fundamentalism. As in, heavy duty ((hardliners|hardliner)) fundamentalism -- more hardliner than I'm prepared to go, too. But on some semantic issues, I can see some (possibly including me) saying "no, you can't start using that meaning, it's against the baseline." More of an issue for cmavo than gismu, of course. -- nitcion. ---- As a result of the former paragraph, if someone resists a usage rather than a proposal that potentially violates the baseline, particularly where the baseline is at its quishiest (gismu place structures), are they being a fundamentalist --- or insane? -- nitcion, probably the latter...