History: loglo fu'ivla

Source of version: 2 (current)

These should conform to the spirit of Lojban; that means that they take ((place structure))s parallel to gismu rather than the original place structures of the Loglan prims, unless that would result in a word with an identical place structure and meaning to an existing gismu (in which case creativity can be used.) ;__bilra__ billiards: x1 plays billiards with x2 __retracted in favor of ((resurrected gismu|birda))__ ;__ckemo__ time interval: x1 is the time-duration/interval/period/[[elapsed time] of event x2 (cf. cacra, cedra, citsi, ranji, tcika, junla, renvi, temci,canlu) __retracted in favor of ((resurrected gismu|ditcu))__ ;__fosli__ coerce; 'force': x1 (agent) forces/coerces/compels x2 to do x3 (against x2's will) Well, to conform with the spirit of Lojban, this should be x1 forces/coerces x2 to happen. Using the former place structure, x3 would ''always'' be an event abstraction where the x2 of fosli is incorporated. --mi'e ((tsali)) ''But that's __bapli__! This way we get a new word with a different place structure.'' Then use __bapli__, with an x2 beginning with tu'a. ''I think that these two express different ideas. "fosli" is used when x2 wants to not do x3, and x1 intentionally forces x2 to do it. Compare with __zu'ergau__; x1 makes x2 do x3 for purpose x4 ''That contains no indication of coercion, i.e. that it is against x2's will.'' __zu'erbai__; x1 forces that x2 do x3 for purpose x4 ''x1 must be an event there; events can't do something purposely against someone's will. ;__laldo__ old: x1 is old/aged [[relatively long in elapsed duration] by standard x2 ;__loglo__ TLI Loglandic: x1 reflects Loglandic language/culture/nationality/community in aspect x2 (cf. ((lojbo)), ((spero))). (Usually seen as ''dzejbo''.) ''Do we get any rafsi?'' They all have long rafsi. (Assuming that they have been checked for clashes. All the above have.) Or you can propose ((experimental rafsi)).