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How do we say "goods" or "a good" in Lojban?

Pierre

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On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> How do we say "goods" or "a good" in Lojban?

selpo'e, selve'u

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On Sunday 23 March 2008 17:30, Jorge Llambías wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> > How do we say "goods" or "a good" in Lojban?
>
> selpo'e, selve'u

What about free goods, such as air? Air is neither possessed nor sold, unless
someone does something like compressing air into a bottle. How about
something based on {vamji}?

Pierre

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Pierre Abbat wrote:
> On Sunday 23 March 2008 17:30, Jorge Llambas wrote:
>

>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

>>
>>> How do we say "goods" or "a good" in Lojban?
>>>
>> selpo'e, selve'u
>>
>
> What about free goods, such as air? Air is neither possessed nor sold, unless
> someone does something like compressing air into a bottle. How about
> something based on {vamji}?
>
Or perhaps based on {xaksu}. Isn't that what a resource is? Something
that gets used?

~mark

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On Sunday 23 March 2008 19:56, Mark E. Shoulson wrote:
> > What about free goods, such as air? Air is neither possessed nor sold,
> > unless someone does something like compressing air into a bottle. How
> > about something based on {vamji}?
>
> Or perhaps based on {xaksu}. Isn't that what a resource is? Something
> that gets used?

I think {selva'i} is better. Some goods, such as source code to programs, are
not consumed but still have value.

Pierre

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On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

>
> I think {selva'i} is better. Some goods, such as source code to programs, are
> not consumed but still have value.

I think the main idea behind "good" is not so much something
that is valuable as something you can dispose of. The sun is
something valuable but I don't know if it would be called a
"good". But probably different contexts call for different choices
and there is no single best translation.

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On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> >
> > I think {selva'i} is better. Some goods, such as source code to programs, are
> > not consumed but still have value.
>
> I think the main idea behind "good" is not so much something
> that is valuable as something you can dispose of. The sun is
> something valuable but I don't know if it would be called a
> "good". But probably different contexts call for different choices
> and there is no single best translation.
>
>
Here is what MWC says:
3 a): something that has economic utility or satisfies an economic
want b) plural : personal property having intrinsic value but usually
excluding money, securities, and negotiable instruments d) plural :
something manufactured or produced for sale : wares, merchandise
<canned goods>

So, it is something that has value (selva'i) OR something that is
for sale (selve'u), depending on which quality you want to emphasize
in your particular usage.

But while we're on the subject, how would you say business/commerce?
"loi nu terkagni"? Doesn't seem quite right. For that matter, how
would you specify "open for business"? (clearly not a kalri type of
"open"). And for another type of "open", how about "open (one's)
eyes"? Here, MAYBE you could make a case for "kargau lo kalgai lo
kalne'i loi gusni", but I'm not sure (Hebrew uses two different words
for opening a door/container, and opening the eyes). Opinions?
--gejyspa

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On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> But while we're on the subject, how would you say business/commerce?
> "loi nu terkagni"? Doesn't seem quite right. For that matter, how
> would you specify "open for business"? (clearly not a kalri type of
> "open").

How about {bredi lo nu vecnu}?

But {kalri} doesn't seem wrong, since it means the shop's door is
open so as to let the customers into the shop.

> And for another type of "open", how about "open (one's)
> eyes"? Here, MAYBE you could make a case for "kargau lo kalgai lo
> kalne'i loi gusni", but I'm not sure (Hebrew uses two different words
> for opening a door/container, and opening the eyes). Opinions?

I have used {kalri/ganlo kanla} for "open/closed eyes".

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On 3/26/08, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

> But {kalri} doesn't seem wrong, since it means the shop's door is
> open so as to let the customers into the shop.

I have used {tolcando} for "open shop".

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http://wagner.pp.ru/~slobin/ `it means just what I choose it to mean'