Second Life Posted by lojbab on Tue 07 of Oct, 2008 22:08 GMT posts: 162 Use this thread to discuss the Second Life page.
Posted by lojbab on Tue 07 of Oct, 2008 22:08 GMT posts: 162 The current leader of the Loglan group posted on their list the following claim: > As for Lojban having a group, it appears to me that the Loglan > conversation group is active and the Lojban group is not: we have > attracted one of their members, who is planning to join our meeting > next weekend. > > --Randall Holmes I believe he was talking specifically about a Lojban group on "Second Life", but he might have been making a more general statement. I would like to respond (and to do so accurately). Can people summarize the various opportunities for Lojban conversation on line, via text and/or voice. And specifically what is the status of using Second Life for Lojban conversation among the various options. How many are involved, and how often? This is the first time since we were founded that the Loglan people even tried* to make the claim that they were more active than we are in any forum or medium (although so far as I can tell, their Second Life "group" is so far only 2 people once a week). lojbab To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by cmacis on Tue 07 of Oct, 2008 22:20 GMT posts: 85 There is the lojban IRC on freenode, as far as I can tell it's the main online conversation in and around lojban. Our most recent stats have 371 lines in lojban over 32 nicks. http://jbotcan.org/logs/lojban-thismonth.htmlWe occasionally talk online using mumble, but this is ad-hoc. I believe the phone group is still theoretically active, and I'm sure someone will post about that. We have the picture boards at jbotcan.org. People are expanding into youtube vids. A lot of the active jbopre are linux users, and agree that the 2nd life client for linux is bad. So is google's attempt. We'll probably stick to IRC for now. In the real world there is the yearly logfest, and the German lojbanists are meeting within another meeting. British lojbanists are arranging meetings in all you can eat restaurants. mu'o mi'e cmacis
Posted by slobin on Tue 07 of Oct, 2008 23:03 GMT posts: 40 On 10/8/08, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote: > > As for Lojban having a group, it appears to me that the Loglan > > conversation group is active and the Lojban group is not: we have > > attracted one of their members, who is planning to join our meeting > > next weekend. > > I believe he was talking specifically about a Lojban group on "Second > Life", but he might have been making a more general statement. > > I would like to respond (and to do so accurately). Can people > summarize the various opportunities for Lojban conversation on line, > via text and/or voice. And specifically what is the status of using > Second Life for Lojban conversation among the various options. How > many are involved, and how often? It is me who was attracted to join their meeting in Second Life, so I probably should to tell more about Second Life conlangs presence: 1) "Loglan Conversation Group" includes six people now (counting myself). As far as I know, two or three of them do really meet once a week for a hour (typically Sat or Sun). For some silly circumstances I have failed to attend last two meetings, so I'll try to join them at the next weekend. ("Last two" because I have learned about this group two weeks ago only). 2) "Lojban Institute of SL" group includes about 30 people now ("about" because SL interface doesn't show totals; I have counted them one by one, and small error is possible). But it seems like most of them have visited Second Life a year ago or more. This is typical: someone joins the world, plays month or two, and leaves forever, not deleting his/her account. In particular, the founder of the group has his/her last visit in January 2007. I do not know who s/he is in real life, because this is not obvious from SL nicknames. And, if someone with nickname "xorxes" *is* xorxes (xorxes, are you?), then his last visit was in 2006. 3) During my four months in SL (I have joined the world in the end of March this year) I have noted no activity in Lojban group. More than, when I myself asked in the group chat if anyone is interested in some collective project, the only person answered was loglanist (who is a member of the Lojban group too). Two or three other people seemed to be online, but was probably not interested. See also: http://jbotcan.org/ideas/res/68.html 4) For comparison, Esperanto people are really active in SL, and there are many of them. If you want to meet someone who speak Esperanto, you do not need to arrange a date and time: if you just come to popular among Esperantists meeting place and wait for a while, you probably meet someone else who came there with the same idea in mind. BTW, about Esperanto: we are building an Esperanto Library in SL now. Do we have any Esperanto papers about Lojban, except long ago outdated brochure? Sorry for my terrible English today, I am a bit ill now, and therefore speak in a tangled way even in my native Russian. -- http://slobin.pp.ru/ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, <cyril@slobin.pp.ru> `it means just what I choose it to mean' To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by Anonymous on Tue 07 of Oct, 2008 23:14 GMT On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Cyril Slobin <cyril@slobin.pp.ru> wrote: > > And, if someone > with nickname "xorxes" *is* xorxes (xorxes, are you?), then his last > visit was in 2006. It was probably me. I tried it for a short while when someone advertised here, but I never actually met anyone there and finally gave up. I don't kow if I will remember what password I used, so if I ever go back it may be under a new avatar. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by Anonymous on Wed 08 of Oct, 2008 19:44 GMT On 10/7/08, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote: > > > I would like to respond (and to do so accurately). Can people summarize the > various opportunities for Lojban conversation on line, via text and/or > voice. And specifically what is the status of using Second Life for Lojban > conversation among the various options. How many are involved, and how > often? The active forums now that I know of are IRC, these mailing lists, Wikipedia and Jbotcan. Everything else is ignored at the moment, as far as I know. Jbopre seem to have a collective feeling that it's better to concentrate the community in as few places as possible, leading to a conservative attitude to any new forum. New IRC channels often arouse criticism for spreading the IRC conversation too thin, and even Jbotcan faced a lot of skepticism at first. So the negative side of that is that you won't find Lojban active in a huge variety of different places around the net, but the positive side is that you can visit IRC and encounter a Lojbanist at any time of the day or night because that's where everyone goes. One idea I had for how to spread Lojban conversation to more places at once is to start forums focused on particular topics. Lojban seems to me like it's at the point where we can use it to communicate actual information about various subjects, instead of just gathering around the language and poking at it. I bet it would be more effective inviting Lojbanists to a chat on Second Life (for example) if it was a meeting for some particular purpose. People are already fulfilling their generic desire to speak with other people in Lojban, so they're probably not going to bother with exploring somewhere they're less familiar with, just to have conversations in Lojban with other Lojbanists they already know! mu'o mi'e se ckiku
Posted by Eppcott on Wed 08 of Oct, 2008 23:38 GMT posts: 4740 I was a founding member of the Lojban Second Life community. Currently, I no longer have a computer good enough to run Second Life, which is why I don't go there anymore. Plus I learned Blender and found out it's not that much more complex than Second Life's building features. -Eppcott On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Brett Williams <mungojelly@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 10/7/08, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote: >> >> I would like to respond (and to do so accurately). Can people summarize >> the various opportunities for Lojban conversation on line, via text and/or >> voice. And specifically what is the status of using Second Life for Lojban >> conversation among the various options. How many are involved, and how >> often? > > > > The active forums now that I know of are IRC, these mailing lists, > Wikipedia and Jbotcan. Everything else is ignored at the moment, as far as > I know. Jbopre seem to have a collective feeling that it's better to > concentrate the community in as few places as possible, leading to a > conservative attitude to any new forum. New IRC channels often arouse > criticism for spreading the IRC conversation too thin, and even Jbotcan > faced a lot of skepticism at first. So the negative side of that is that > you won't find Lojban active in a huge variety of different places around > the net, but the positive side is that you can visit IRC and encounter a > Lojbanist at any time of the day or night because that's where everyone > goes. > > One idea I had for how to spread Lojban conversation to more places at once > is to start forums focused on particular topics. Lojban seems to me like > it's at the point where we can use it to communicate actual information > about various subjects, instead of just gathering around the language and > poking at it. I bet it would be more effective inviting Lojbanists to a > chat on Second Life (for example) if it was a meeting for some particular > purpose. People are already fulfilling their generic desire to speak with > other people in Lojban, so they're probably not going to bother with > exploring somewhere they're less familiar with, just to have conversations > in Lojban with other Lojbanists they already know! > > mu'o mi'e se ckiku > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by slobin on Thu 09 of Oct, 2008 00:06 GMT posts: 40 On 10/9/08, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote: > I was a founding member of the Lojban Second Life community. > Currently, I no longer have a computer good enough to run Second Life, > which is why I don't go there anymore. Plus I learned Blender and > found out it's not that much more complex than Second Life's building > features. Maybe you can log in once, and share the group owner rights with somebody else (with me unless someone else seems to be better choice)? The current structure of the group rights makes it inconvenient for any collaboration: the ordinary member of a the group can't even post a group notice, and nobody but a group owner can change this. -- http://slobin.pp.ru/ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, <cyril@slobin.pp.ru> `it means just what I choose it to mean' To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by Eppcott on Thu 09 of Oct, 2008 00:09 GMT posts: 4740 If I can get access to someone whose computer can run Second Life, I'll do that. Until then, I'm sorry for this situation. I hate to abandon it. -Eppcott On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Cyril Slobin <cyril@slobin.pp.ru> wrote: > On 10/9/08, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I was a founding member of the Lojban Second Life community. >> Currently, I no longer have a computer good enough to run Second Life, >> which is why I don't go there anymore. Plus I learned Blender and >> found out it's not that much more complex than Second Life's building >> features. > > Maybe you can log in once, and share the group owner rights with > somebody else (with me unless someone else seems to be better choice)? > The current structure of the group rights makes it inconvenient for > any collaboration: the ordinary member of a the group can't even post > a group notice, and nobody but a group owner can change this. > > -- > http://slobin.pp.ru/ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, > <cyril@slobin.pp.ru> `it means just what I choose it to mean' > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by shintyakov on Thu 09 of Oct, 2008 19:34 GMT posts: 22 Huh, this Second Life seems to be quite interesting thing. The interface is not too attractive though... I doubt that I would visit SL often, but I've created an account for test, Dmishin Uladstron. How can I find someone of you there?
Posted by slobin on Sat 11 of Oct, 2008 19:29 GMT posts: 40 On 10/8/08, Cyril Slobin <cyril@slobin.pp.ru> wrote: > 1) "Loglan Conversation Group" includes six people now (counting > myself). As far as I know, two or three of them do really meet once a > week for a hour (typically Sat or Sun). For some silly circumstances I > have failed to attend last two meetings, so I'll try to join them at > the next weekend. ("Last two" because I have learned about this group > two weeks ago only). I have just returned form Loglan meeting in SL. Five people were there, including myself. As far as I know, this is the highest number so far. Real chat in Loglan (mostly simple sentences) for a hour. I have never learned TLI Loglan, but I can understand maybe one sentence of three or four: Loglan prims are much easier to guess than Lojban gismu (but only if you speak English, of course), and mapping from Loglan short words to Lojban cmavo is easy to catch from the similar sentence structure. I consider the following note from one of the participants to be valuable enough to quote: ((I like practicing Loglan in the SL env because one can talkg about things in th environment)) in a chat channel your shared reality is just words To Dmirty: if you want to contact me in SL, try to send an IM to Cyril Svoboda. Alas I have no permanent hours of being inworld. -- http://slobin.pp.ru/ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, <cyril@slobin.pp.ru> `it means just what I choose it to mean' To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by slobin on Sat 11 of Oct, 2008 19:46 GMT posts: 40 On 10/11/08, Cyril Slobin <cyril@slobin.pp.ru> wrote: > I have just returned form Loglan meeting in SL. P.S. Snapshot of the meeting: http://jbotcan.org/ideas/res/68.html#reply244 -- http://slobin.pp.ru/ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, <cyril@slobin.pp.ru> `it means just what I choose it to mean' To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by kpreid on Sat 11 of Oct, 2008 21:25 GMT posts: 7 FWIW, I have a Second Life account (Graph Weymann) and am a member of the Lojban group. However, I don't have the free time right now to hang around SL, so I mostly show up for events I've heard of, and I'm not highly interested in Lojban at the moment. However, if someone were running a Lojban-in-SL event and let me know I would try to show up. .i mi cmene zoi.u. Graph Weymann .u. la'o.r. Second Life .r. goi ko'a gi'a cmima le lojbo se cmima pe ko'a .i ku'i mi ca zu zifre co se temci mo'ada .i ja'e mi me ko'a zvati lo nunjmaji poi notci ke'a ku'o po'o .i mi ji'a no'e mutce cinri la lojban. .i ku'i ba'a da poi lojbo nunjmaji ne'i ko'a zi'e poi mi djuno fi ko'a zo'u mi ba troci co zvati da (only Lojban I've written in a long time...) -- Kevin Reid <http://homepage.mac.com/kpreid/> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
