Lojban In General

In a message dated 4/28/2009 22:23:23 Eastern Daylight Time,
danny.piccirillo@gmail.com writes:

> I have a lot of issues with the traditional naming system. Last names--
> wtf? Take it from dad or mom or both? Why not neither? Gender neutrality.
> Lack of meaning (i'm not sure how i feel about that one).
>
> How do all of you feel about naming? If you had to choose your own name,
> how would you do it any why?
>
> My plan was originally to find something i can identify with (perhaps it
> was spoons, for some odd reason), then find an appropriate lojban
> translation, and if i liked how it sounded for a name, and it was shortenable to a
> nickname, i would legally change my name to it (and abandon my last name).
> What i'm torn between is choosing a name with meaning, or choosing a name
> purely because it sounds nice. What makes the most sense to you guys? I've
> been having a LOT of trouble finding something i can really identify with =[

I have issues with names too. I want my name to be unique, or at the very
least, very rare.

Names are very personal. You should go with what you like. If that means
it sounds nice, or has a meaning you can identify with, go with that.

stevo

Ah, that brings up another thing. Should names be 100% unique? That seems
pretty impossible to me, but worth at least a moment of thought

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 22:29, <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 4/28/2009 22:23:23 Eastern Daylight Time,
> danny.piccirillo@gmail.com writes:
>
>
> I have a lot of issues with the traditional naming system. Last names--
> wtf? Take it from dad or mom or both? Why not neither? Gender neutrality.
> Lack of meaning (i'm not sure how i feel about that one).
>
> How do all of you feel about naming? If you had to choose your own name,
> how would you do it any why?
>
> My plan was originally to find something i can identify with (perhaps it
> was spoons, for some odd reason), then find an appropriate lojban
> translation, and if i liked how it sounded for a name, and it was
> shortenable to a nickname, i would legally change my name to it (and abandon
> my last name). What i'm torn between is choosing a name with meaning, or
> choosing a name purely because it sounds nice. What makes the most sense to
> you guys? I've been having a LOT of trouble finding something i can really
> identify with =[
>
>
>
> I have issues with names too. I want my name to be unique, or at the very
> least, very rare.
>
> Names are very personal. You should go with what you like. If that means
> it sounds nice, or has a meaning you can identify with, go with that.
>
> stevo

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Danny Piccirillo
<danny.piccirillo@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ah, that brings up another thing. Should names be 100% unique? That seems
> pretty impossible to me, but worth at least a moment of thought

The Lojban community is small enough that they can be, for now.

So far as I know, I'm still the only .kreig. around, although I
imagine any new arrivals named John would want to at least consider
picking something less obvious than .djan.

- mi'e .kreig.daniyl.
noi pilno lo lanzu cmene

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In a message dated 4/28/2009 23:06:07 Eastern Daylight Time,
danny.piccirillo@gmail.com writes:

> Ah, that brings up another thing. Should names be 100% unique? That seems
> pretty impossible to me, but worth at least a moment of thought
>
>

There is no reason or need for names to be unique, except as a personal
preference, as in my case. I get by in my life just fine with my given name,
and I don't personally know anyone else who has my name. Even my mother and
one of my aunts, who share exactly the same name, don't have any problems
with sharing their name.

It's a problem only for the minority of people who are not satisfied with
the name they have.

Asking if names should be unique is implying that names should be forced on
people. I vehemently object to anything like that. Names should be a
matter of choice, of personal freedom. If you don't like your name, change it.
As many times as you want.

stevo

Mm, true. That was really just a side concern to everything else which i'm
still not sure how i feel about.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 23:39, <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 4/28/2009 23:06:07 Eastern Daylight Time,
> danny.piccirillo@gmail.com writes:
>
>
> Ah, that brings up another thing. Should names be 100% unique? That seems
> pretty impossible to me, but worth at least a moment of thought
>
>
>
> There is no reason or need for names to be unique, except as a personal
> preference, as in my case. I get by in my life just fine with my given
> name, and I don't personally know anyone else who has my name. Even my
> mother and one of my aunts, who share exactly the same name, don't have any
> problems with sharing their name.
>
> It's a problem only for the minority of people who are not satisfied with
> the name they have.
>
> Asking if names should be unique is implying that names should be forced on
> people. I vehemently object to anything like that. Names should be a
> matter of choice, of personal freedom. If you don't like your name, change
> it. As many times as you want.
>
> stevo

>How do all of you feel about naming

The name should be globally unique "number" (like those found in
passports, etc), in Bubble-Babble (or similar) encoding. Parts of it
are "short" name for everyday use, still unique enough (if 2 or more
syllables used "birthday problem" arises near 300 persons — quite a
big party).

mi'e xolik-lyvyz-raxax mu'o do'u

2009/4/29, Danny Piccirillo <danny.piccirillo@gmail.com>:
> Mm, true. That was really just a side concern to everything else which i'm
> still not sure how i feel about.
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 23:39, <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 4/28/2009 23:06:07 Eastern Daylight Time,
>> danny.piccirillo@gmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>> Ah, that brings up another thing. Should names be 100% unique? That seems
>> pretty impossible to me, but worth at least a moment of thought
>>
>>
>>
>> There is no reason or need for names to be unique, except as a personal
>> preference, as in my case. I get by in my life just fine with my given
>> name, and I don't personally know anyone else who has my name. Even my
>> mother and one of my aunts, who share exactly the same name, don't have
>> any
>> problems with sharing their name.
>>
>> It's a problem only for the minority of people who are not satisfied with
>> the name they have.
>>
>> Asking if names should be unique is implying that names should be forced
>> on
>> people. I vehemently object to anything like that. Names should be a
>> matter of choice, of personal freedom. If you don't like your name,
>> change
>> it. As many times as you want.
>>
>> stevo
>

--
mu'o mi'e lex

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On Tuesday 28 April 2009 22:20:08 Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> Some of you on the channel may already be familiar with my plan to legally
> change my name.
>
> I have a lot of issues with the traditional naming system. Last names--
> wtf? Take it from dad or mom or both? Why not neither? Gender neutrality.
> Lack of meaning (i'm not sure how i feel about that one).

I think there should be one family name passed down by the mother and another
passed down by the father. I don't know of any culture that does that,
though.

Pierre

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So, Pierre, in that system what would happen in the following generation?
Let's say:

A + B marry and have children who take both A and B. Now we have AB. So
now AB wants to marry the child of X + Y. So now we have

AB + XY marry and have children who take both AB and XY and now we haev
ABXY. For generation n a person would have 2^n names.

I like Asimov's idea from his "Foundation" series. In it there's a planet
that does naming according to who you are/what you've done/other things
about you, and your name is a massive string of all these things with the
most intrinsically you things being closer to the beginning. People can
then use as much of their name as they please in day to day life. For
instance, under this system, I might call myself: "skamilojbozoigo"
although skami, lojban, and go are more interests so I would obviously put a
little more thought into it. But then in day to day life I'd say "just call
me skamil" or some such.

- Luke Bergen

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Tuesday 28 April 2009 22:20:08 Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> > Some of you on the channel may already be familiar with my plan to
> legally
> > change my name.
> >
> > I have a lot of issues with the traditional naming system. Last names--
> > wtf? Take it from dad or mom or both? Why not neither? Gender neutrality.
> > Lack of meaning (i'm not sure how i feel about that one).
>
> I think there should be one family name passed down by the mother and
> another
> passed down by the father. I don't know of any culture that does that,
> though.
>
> Pierre
>
>
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> I think there should be one family name passed down by the mother and another
> passed down by the father. I don't know of any culture that does that,
> though.

Spain does it that way.

Although, in non-gender-neutral fashion, the one you get from your
mother is the one she got from her father.

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On Wednesday 29 April 2009 09:10:35 Luke Bergen wrote:
> So, Pierre, in that system what would happen in the following generation?
> Let's say:
>
> A + B marry and have children who take both A and B. Now we have AB. So
> now AB wants to marry the child of X + Y. So now we have
>
> AB + XY marry and have children who take both AB and XY and now we haev
> ABXY. For generation n a person would have 2^n names.

If A is AB's patrilineal name and AB is a man, and X is XY's patrilineal name,
their children will be named AY.

Pierre

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ahh, I see. So what if female children took the mothers name while males
took the fathers name, that way there'd be a better chance of the maternal
name surviving?

- Luke Bergen

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Wednesday 29 April 2009 09:10:35 Luke Bergen wrote:
> > So, Pierre, in that system what would happen in the following generation?
> > Let's say:
> >
> > A + B marry and have children who take both A and B. Now we have AB. So
> > now AB wants to marry the child of X + Y. So now we have
> >
> > AB + XY marry and have children who take both AB and XY and now we haev
> > ABXY. For generation n a person would have 2^n names.
>
> If A is AB's patrilineal name and AB is a man, and X is XY's patrilineal
> name,
> their children will be named AY.
>
> Pierre
>
>
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In a message dated 4/29/2009 10:09:00 Eastern Daylight Time,
lukeabergen@gmail.com writes:

> ahh, I see. So what if female children took the mothers name while males
> took the fathers name, that way there'd be a better chance of the maternal
> name surviving?
>

Why is it necessary, or even desirable, for a name to survive?

stevo

I don't know. I guess "carrying on the family name" *is* kind of an archaic
idea.

- Luke Bergen

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM, <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 4/29/2009 10:09:00 Eastern Daylight Time,
> lukeabergen@gmail.com writes:
>
>
> ahh, I see. So what if female children took the mothers name while males
> took the fathers name, that way there'd be a better chance of the maternal
> name surviving?
>
>
>
> Why is it necessary, or even desirable, for a name to survive?
>
> stevo

Yes, it is. Some families are the "normal" mom and dad, or they are gay, and
now, polyamorous families are starting to come in. Then there are divorces,
single parents, adoption, re-marrying, etc, etc. Families are much too
complicated for family names to work, and i don't think they're worth it
anyway.

I've already planned to abandon my last name, so now i just need to figure
out what to adopt for a new name. Asimov's idea that Luke posted certainly
is interesting and i like it but it obviously isn't very practical. Do you
guys prefer naemes that you can identify with, or just names with no (or
very little) meaning that sound nice?

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:09, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know. I guess "carrying on the family name" *is* kind of an
> archaic idea.
>
> - Luke Bergen
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM, <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 4/29/2009 10:09:00 Eastern Daylight Time,
>> lukeabergen@gmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>> ahh, I see. So what if female children took the mothers name while males
>> took the fathers name, that way there'd be a better chance of the maternal
>> name surviving?
>>
>>
>>
>> Why is it necessary, or even desirable, for a name to survive?
>>
>> stevo
>
>
>

Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> Ah, that brings up another thing. Should names be 100% unique?

Absolutely, that's why I'm naming my kids 7545b465-0ef8-45b6-976c-9756ea9eaf68
and 7a8729b7-d128-4891-8835-d444075d5eb5. ;)

-- Steve

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In a message dated 4/29/2009 11:54:43 Eastern Daylight Time,
danny.piccirillo@gmail.com writes:

> Do you guys prefer naemes that you can identify with, or just names with
> no (or very little) meaning that sound nice?
>

I don't go by the sound much at all. A name like "Wahoolawallahoo" would
just be random nonsense, regardless of how 'nice' it sounds. I wouldn't want
a name that is nonsense. Even a number is better than that.

ST3VO

In a message dated 4/29/2009 11:54:43 Eastern Daylight Time,
danny.piccirillo@gmail.com writes:

> Asimov's idea

Where in the Foundation books does he talk about names?

stevo

In the last two books I believe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_(Foundation_universe)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_%28Foundation_universe%29>

- Luke Bergen

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:00 PM, <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 4/29/2009 11:54:43 Eastern Daylight Time,
> danny.piccirillo@gmail.com writes:
>
>
> Asimov's idea
>
>
>
> Where in the Foundation books does he talk about names?
>
> stevo

In a message dated 4/29/2009 12:15:00 Eastern Daylight Time,
lukeabergen@gmail.com writes:

> In the last two books I believe.
>
> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_%28Foundation_universe%29">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_(Foundation_universe)</A>
>
>

I looked there, but they don't actually mention naming conventions,
although they do give one name without any clarification.

stevo

The Icelandic naming system goes like this:

{a.A} (patfu) + {b.B} (mamta)

-> {c.A-sson} (bersa) / {d.A-dóttir} (tixnu)

or

-> {c.B-sson} (bersa) / {d.B-dóttir} (tixnu)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_name

mu'o mi'e tijlan

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No, actually:

{a.A} (patfu) + {b.B} (mamta)

-> {c.a-sson} (bersa) / {d.a-dóttir} (tixnu)

or

-> {c.b-sson} (bersa) / {d.b-dóttir} (tixnu)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_name

mu'o mi'e tijlan

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Well, my name is Danny, and that to me has no meaning. Does this qualify as
a "nonsense" name? I'm just asking to make sure we're talking about the same
thing.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:59, <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 4/29/2009 11:54:43 Eastern Daylight Time,
> danny.piccirillo@gmail.com writes:
>
>
> Do you guys prefer naemes that you can identify with, or just names with no
> (or very little) meaning that sound nice?
>
>
>
> I don't go by the sound much at all. A name like "Wahoolawallahoo" would
> just be random nonsense, regardless of how 'nice' it sounds. I wouldn't
> want a name that is nonsense. Even a number is better than that.
>
> ST3VO

In a message dated 4/29/2009 12:52:15 Eastern Daylight Time,
danny.piccirillo@gmail.com writes:

> Well, my name is Danny, and that to me has no meaning. Does this qualify
> as a "nonsense" name? I'm just asking to make sure we're talking about the
> same thing.
>

I would say it's not a nonsense name. While "Danny" itself may have no
meaning, at least to you, it is part of a large network of associations. It's
the usual nickname for "Daniel", which has a long and Biblical history.
It's not a made-up name, like the one I suggested.

stevo

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:59 PM, <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> A name like "Wahoolawallahoo" would
> just be random nonsense, regardless of how 'nice' it sounds.

Both "Wahoola" and "Wallahoo" are attested names (and both contain the
problematic "la", BTW) but I couldn't find any hits for the compound
form Wahoolawallahoo.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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Morpheme, the naming conventions on Gaia from the Foundation series is
mentioned as an aside in the books. I don't think that people's names
consisted of literal words like "mayorhumanitariangreatorator" but rather
like "daniel" has meaning associated with it.

Or in lojban terms, maybe one would use the rafsi of different words that
they associate with to make one enormous lujvo like construct (but in cmene
form). So from my earlier example, skamilojbozoigo becomes skajbozoigos, or
skaj in day to day use. I would guess most names would be much longer as
most people don't really identify with only a few interests.

Kind of reminds me of geek code.

- Luke Bergen

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:00 PM, <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 4/29/2009 12:52:15 Eastern Daylight Time,
> danny.piccirillo@gmail.com writes:
>
>
> Well, my name is Danny, and that to me has no meaning. Does this qualify as
> a "nonsense" name? I'm just asking to make sure we're talking about the same
> thing.
>
>
>
> I would say it's not a nonsense name. While "Danny" itself may have no
> meaning, at least to you, it is part of a large network of associations.
> It's the usual nickname for "Daniel", which has a long and Biblical
> history. It's not a made-up name, like the one I suggested.
>
> stevo

I thought it was a-sson etc; i.e., the first name, not the second (which is presumably already a sson or dottir)

--- Original Message --
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To: lojban-list@lojban.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:07:48 AM
Subject: lojban Re: Logical Naming Conventions

The Icelandic naming system goes like this:

{a.A} (patfu) + {b.B} (mamta)

-> {c.A-sson} (bersa) / {d.A-dóttir} (tixnu)

or

-> {c.B-sson} (bersa) / {d.B-dóttir} (tixnu)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_name

mu'o mi'e tijlan

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Yes, but to me and most people it's just another name that has no meaning. I
don't know any off the top of my head, but there are many names with no
meaning. Although my name has a history, it's meaning has mostly been lost,
so i put it in the same category as the many completely meaningless names
out there. So, do they all qualify as nonsense?

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 13:00, <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 4/29/2009 12:52:15 Eastern Daylight Time,
> danny.piccirillo@gmail.com writes:
>
>
> Well, my name is Danny, and that to me has no meaning. Does this qualify as
> a "nonsense" name? I'm just asking to make sure we're talking about the same
> thing.
>
>
>
> I would say it's not a nonsense name. While "Danny" itself may have no
> meaning, at least to you, it is part of a large network of associations.
> It's the usual nickname for "Daniel", which has a long and Biblical
> history. It's not a made-up name, like the one I suggested.
>
> stevo

One thing I've thought about in the past, if you know a bunch of people with
the same name as you who have certain personality traits, are you more
likely to pick up those traits yourself? For instance, "I've never met a
who wasn't a jerk" is a phrase I've heard some times. Do you think
there could be any truth to that?

- Luke Bergen

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Danny Piccirillo <
danny.piccirillo@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, but to me and most people it's just another name that has no meaning.
> I don't know any off the top of my head, but there are many names with no
> meaning. Although my name has a history, it's meaning has mostly been lost,
> so i put it in the same category as the many completely meaningless names
> out there. So, do they all qualify as nonsense?
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 13:00, <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 4/29/2009 12:52:15 Eastern Daylight Time,
>> danny.piccirillo@gmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>> Well, my name is Danny, and that to me has no meaning. Does this qualify
>> as a "nonsense" name? I'm just asking to make sure we're talking about the
>> same thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would say it's not a nonsense name. While "Danny" itself may have no
>> meaning, at least to you, it is part of a large network of associations.
>> It's the usual nickname for "Daniel", which has a long and Biblical
>> history. It's not a made-up name, like the one I suggested.
>>
>> stevo
>
>
>

In a message dated 4/29/2009 13:29:56 Eastern Daylight Time,
danny.piccirillo@gmail.com writes:

> Although my name has a history, it's meaning has mostly been lost, so i
> put it in the same category as the many completely meaningless names out
> there. So, do they all qualify as nonsense?
>

I'd still say no, since it's not a made-up name. It's a common name, part
of the language in fact, not a nonce-name.

stevo (not "Morpheme")

Here is what I'm using in my science fiction setting. This presupposes that entirely logical aliens harvested humans for use as biological robots, so having a defined starting point and a limited sample makes life easier

The humans were chosen and defined in terms of forty genetic markers. these genetic markers were assigned (by the aliens) a hierarchy of desirability. The first generation had only a single last name, that of their genetic marker. The second generation had a hypehentated genius name, with the first word being the deignation for the highest rated marker between the parents and the second being the lower rated. Children are called by their sex and birth order, being something like first male offspring of gene marker 15 and gene marker 33. The next generation would take the highest marker from each parent and so on.

Once the children become adults they will acquire a name based on achievement

Just my two bits.

Terry

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Subject: lojban Re: Logical Naming Conventions

I thought it was a-sson etc; i.e., the first name, not the second (which is
presumably already a sson or dottir)

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Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:07:48 AM
Subject: lojban Re: Logical Naming Conventions

The Icelandic naming system goes like this:

{a.A} (patfu) + {b.B} (m
amta)

-> {c.A-sson} (bersa) / {d.A-dóttir} (tixnu)

or

-> {c.B-sson} (bersa) / {d.B-dóttir} (tixnu)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_name

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Mmm, now what about a practical approach we can use in today's world? Names
have to stay the same (or at least can't be easily changed), so what should
i do until humanity adopts a more ideal naming system... xD

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 16:44, <tsofian@aol.com> wrote:

> Here is what I'm using in my science fiction setting. This presupposes that
> entirely logical aliens harvested humans for use as biological robots, so
> having a defined starting point and a limited sample makes life easier
> The humans were chosen and defined in terms of forty genetic markers.
> these genetic markers were assigned (by the aliens) a hierarchy of
> desirability. The first generation had only a single last name, that of
> their genetic marker. The second generation had a hypehentated genius name,
> with the first word being the deignation for the highest rated marker
> between the parents and the second being the lower rated. Children are
> called by their sex and birth order, being something like first male
> offspring of gene marker 15 and gene marker 33. The next generation would
> take the highest marker from each parent and so on.
>
> Once the children become adults they will acquire a name based on
> achievement
>
> Just my two bits.
>
> Terry
>
>
> ---Original Message---
> From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
> To: lojban-list@lojban.org
> Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:23 pm
> Subject: lojban Re: Logical Naming Conventions
>
> I thought it was a-sson etc; i.e., the first name, not the second (which is
>
> presumably already a sson or dottir)
>
>
> --- Original Message --
> From: tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com>
> To: lojban-list@lojban.org
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:07:48 AM
> Subject: lojban Re: Logical Naming Conventions
>
> The Icelandic naming system goes like this:
>
> {a.A} (patfu) + {b.B} (mamta)
>
> -> {c.A-sson} (bersa) / {d.A-dóttir} (tixnu)
>
> or
>
> -> {c.B-sson} (bersa) / {d.B-dóttir} (tixnu)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_name
>
> mu'o mi'e tijlan
>
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Well, what do you want names to do — beyond contextual uniqueness? Be pretty? then pick something pretty. Be informative? Pick something that gives the information you consider important. And perhaps different things for different contexts. There is, I suppose, such a thing as a general purpose name — something like the function of our historically given name — which would be a starting point (mine is foor almost all of my other names) and you can get on from that. Your given name seems a good starting point, especially if you go back into its history (something about God - El - and whatever Piccirillo comes from triangulating translations come up with wanderer, cockscomb and tor, but nevermind). And you don't have to be limited by that, of course.

From: Danny Piccirillo <danny.piccirillo@gmail.com>
To: lojban-list@lojban.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:55:01 PM
Subject: lojban Re: Logical Naming Conventions

Mmm, now what about a practical approach we can use in today's world? Names have to stay the same (or at least can't be easily changed), so what should i do until humanity adopts a more ideal naming system... xD

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 16:44, <tsofian@aol.com> wrote:

Here is what I'm using in my science fiction setting. This presupposes that entirely logical aliens harvested humans for use as biological robots, so having a defined starting point and a limited sample makes life easier

The humans were chosen and defined in terms of forty genetic markers. these genetic markers were assigned (by the aliens) a hierarchy of desirability. The first generation had only a single last name, that of their genetic marker. The second generation had a hypehentated genius name, with the first word being the deignation for the highest rated marker between the parents and the second being the lower rated. Children are called by their sex and birth order, being something like first male offspring of gene marker 15 and gene marker 33. The next generation would take the highest marker from each parent and so on.

Once the children become adults they will acquire a name based on achievement

Just my two bits.

Terry

---Original Message---
From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
To: lojban-list@lojban.org

Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:23 pm
Subject: lojban Re: Logical Naming Conventions

I thought it was a-sson etc; i.e., the first name, not the second (which is

presumably already a sson or dottir)

--- Original Message --
From: tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com>
To: lojban-list@lojban.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:07:48 AM
Subject: lojban Re: Logical Naming Conventions

The Icelandic naming system goes like this:

{a.A} (patfu) + {b.B} (mamta)

-> {c.A-sson} (bersa) / {d.A-dóttir} (tixnu)

or

-> {c.B-sson} (bersa) / {d.B-dóttir} (tixnu)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_name

mu'o mi'e tijlan

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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 01:43, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well, what do you want names to do — beyond contextual uniqueness?  Be
> pretty?  then pick something pretty.  Be informative? Pick something that
> gives the information you consider important.

Names also often serve as a source of cultural identification for the
bearer. Some immigrants to Israel Hebraize their name, Muslim converts
often choose Arabic names, naturalized Icelandic citizens choose
Icelandic names, etc.

--
Adam Raizen <adam.raizen@gmail.com>
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In a message dated 4/29/2009 16:57:02 Eastern Daylight Time,
danny.piccirillo@gmail.com writes:

> Mmm, now what about a practical approach we can use in today's world?
> Names have to stay the same (or at least can't be easily changed), so what
> should i do until humanity adopts a more ideal naming system... xD
>

You could have several different names (not necessarily related to one
another) that you use under different circumstances. I have about five
different names, although mine are all related (at least so far).

Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> writes:

> One thing I've thought about in the past, if you know a bunch of people with the
> same name as you who have certain personality traits, are you more likely to
> pick up those traits yourself?  For instance, "I've never met a who wasn't
> a jerk" is a phrase I've heard some times.  Do you think there could be any
> truth to that?
>
> - Luke Bergen

I wish I knew the name of the book, but one time, years ago, they were
talking about this book on the radio that compiled a list of names and
the common associations with those names. (ie. Dexter tends to be nerdy,
etc.)

The problem with unique names is it makes it impossible to find those
little personalized lisence plates or pencils for your kids. (my
children are named Tobias and Random)

Also, WRT the whole family line issue, my dad was adopted. So while I
still feel a connection to my last name, I am not really, technically a
Renfer.

- Daniel E. Renfer

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On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Daniel E. Renfer <duck@kronkltd.net> wrote:

> Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > One thing I've thought about in the past, if you know a bunch of people
> with the
> > same name as you who have certain personality traits, are you more likely
> to
> > pick up those traits yourself? For instance, "I've never met a who
> wasn't
> > a jerk" is a phrase I've heard some times. Do you think there could be
> any
> > truth to that?
> >
> > - Luke Bergen
>
> I wish I knew the name of the book, but one time, years ago, they were
> talking about this book on the radio that compiled a list of names and
> the common associations with those names. (ie. Dexter tends to be nerdy,
> etc.)
>

You might be thinking of "The Baby Name Survey Book" by Bruce Lansky, (and
its sequel, "The New Baby Name Survey" but then again, you might not.
(Interestingly enough, there is a website, about-name.com, that is doing the
same thing).

> The problem with unique names is it makes it impossible to find those
> little personalized lisence plates or pencils for your kids. (my
> children are named Tobias and Random)

I know how you feel, My kids also have unusual names, at least in the
generalized society, and even though they're not out of place in my
community (Orthodox Judaism), at least one (Rashi) has an unusual name even
for there....

--gejyspa

Well, my Chinese name 达林,I born with, is meaningful, meaning "arrival to the forest". So, my lojbanic name is "klama'u ricfoi".

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> My plan was originally to find something i can identify with (perhaps it was
> spoons, for some odd reason), then find an appropriate lojban translation,
> and if i liked how it sounded for a name, and it was shortenable to a
> nickname, i would legally change my name to it (and abandon my last name).
> What i'm torn between is choosing a name with meaning, or choosing a name
> purely because it sounds nice. What makes the most sense to you guys? I've
> been having a LOT of trouble finding something i can really identify with =[
>
>

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>
> My plan was originally to find something i can identify with (perhaps it was
> spoons, for some odd reason), then find an appropriate lojban translation,
> and if i liked how it sounded for a name, and it was shortenable to a
> nickname, i would legally change my name to it (and abandon my last name).
> What i'm torn between is choosing a name with meaning, or choosing a name
> purely because it sounds nice. What makes the most sense to you guys? I've
> been having a LOT of trouble finding something i can really identify with =[
>
>

my chinese name 白松, the surname carries no meaning and the name means "pine
tree," also my latin-alphabet name Oren is hebrew for "pine tree," so mi'e
.ku'us.

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 16:46, David290 <lojban-out@lojban.org> wrote:

>
> Re: Logical Naming Conventions
>
> Author: David290
>
> Well, my Chinese name 达林,I born with, is meaningful, meaning "arrival to
> the forest". So, my lojbanic name is "klama'u ricfoi".
>
>
>
>
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>
>

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 4:46 AM, David290 <lojban-out@lojban.org> wrote:
>
> Re: Logical Naming Conventions
>
> Author: David290
>
> Well, my Chinese name 达林,I born with, is meaningful, meaning "arrival to the forest". So, my lojbanic name is "klama'u ricfoi".

How do you get "arrival" out of "klama'u"? That means a "going
type of mature thing". (klama makcu).
--gejyspa

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virtue of it's default sumti!

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> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 4:46 AM, David290 <lojban-out@lojban.org> wrote:
> >
> > Re: Logical Naming Conventions
> >
> > Author: David290
> >
> > Well, my Chinese name 达林,I born with, is meaningful, meaning "arrival to
> the forest". So, my lojbanic name is "klama'u ricfoi".
>
>
>
> How do you get "arrival" out of "klama'u"? That means a "going
> type of mature thing". (klama makcu).
> --gejyspa
>
>
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