Lojban In General

On Friday 12 June 2009 20:22:38 Luke Bergen wrote:
> so I just stumbled across "nei" in my readings. It seems like some
> fun mischief can be had here...
>
> mi nelci lo te cizra be fa nei
>
> Or does "nei" not include "nei" in the repeated bridi?

"lo broda be fa co'e" is equivalent to "co'e poi broda"; you're
stuffing "co'e" in x1, then taking x1 as a sumti. So what you said means "mi
nelci nei poi te cizra", that is, the bridi is a strange property. Is that
what you meant?

Pierre

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yes. that's exactly what I was going for. I was looking for something
like:

"I like the strangeness of nei" which I was hoping that if nei works the
way I am thinking that it does that would mean:
"I like the strangeness of 'I like the strangeness of '...' ' "
sort of having a "the song that never ends" effect.

Or does "nei" not get included in "the current bridi"?

- Luke Bergen

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Friday 12 June 2009 20:22:38 Luke Bergen wrote:
> > so I just stumbled across "nei" in my readings. It seems like some
> > fun mischief can be had here...
> >
> > mi nelci lo te cizra be fa nei
> >
> > Or does "nei" not include "nei" in the repeated bridi?
>
> "lo broda be fa co'e" is equivalent to "co'e poi broda"; you're
> stuffing "co'e" in x1, then taking x1 as a sumti. So what you said means
> "mi
> nelci nei poi te cizra", that is, the bridi is a strange property. Is that
> what you meant?
>
> Pierre
>
>
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>

On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Luke Bergen wrote:

> so I just stumbled across "nei" in my readings. It seems like some
> fun mischief can be had here...
>
> mi nelci lo te cizra be fa nei
>
> Or does "nei" not include "nei" in the repeated bridi?

{nei} includes itself, that part is just fine. But there are a few weird
things with your sentence.

{nei} is not a sumti; it is a selbri. So you'd probably want {lo su'u nei}
(or {du'u}, {nu}, or whatever other abstraction you want there). And

The other issue is that your {fa} is filling the x1 of {te cizra}, which is
the x3 of {cirza}. I strongly suspect that what you actually wanted was {lo
te cizra be fi lo su'u nei}, the property in which the entire bridi is
strange.

Actually, once {nei} is embedded in the {su'u}, it may only refer to that
bridi; you may need {no'a} to get to the main bridi.

mi nelci lo te cizra be fi lo su'u no'a
--
Adam Lopresto
http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/

dei se du'u no'a

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Ahh, yes, good point. That's what I was going for. I feel like a good
poem/limerick in which the punch-line (last line) of the poem involved
{nei}/{no'a} creating a kind of linguistic version of "the song that never
ends" where the punchline is itself a repetition of the setup followed by
the punchline which is itself....

- Luke Bergen

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Adam D. Lopresto <adam@pubcrawler.org>wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Luke Bergen wrote:
>
> so I just stumbled across "nei" in my readings. It seems like some
>> fun mischief can be had here...
>>
>> mi nelci lo te cizra be fa nei
>>
>> Or does "nei" not include "nei" in the repeated bridi?
>>
>
> {nei} includes itself, that part is just fine. But there are a few weird
> things with your sentence.
>
> {nei} is not a sumti; it is a selbri. So you'd probably want {lo su'u nei}
> (or {du'u}, {nu}, or whatever other abstraction you want there). And
>
> The other issue is that your {fa} is filling the x1 of {te cizra}, which is
> the x3 of {cirza}. I strongly suspect that what you actually wanted was
> {lo
> te cizra be fi lo su'u nei}, the property in which the entire bridi is
> strange.
>
> Actually, once {nei} is embedded in the {su'u}, it may only refer to that
> bridi; you may need {no'a} to get to the main bridi.
>
> mi nelci lo te cizra be fi lo su'u no'a
> --
> Adam Lopresto
> http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ <http://cec.wustl.edu/%7Eadam/>
>
> dei se du'u no'a
>
>
>
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