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Posted by Minimiscience on Sat 28 of Nov, 2009 11:59 GMT posts: 3588

de'i li 06 pi'e 07 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Luke Bergen .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra.
> does "mi cusku zo si si si" mean "I say 'si' ", "I say", "", or
> something else entirely?
.skamyxatra

It's grammatically equivalent to "{mi cusku}." See section 19.13 of the CLL
for an explanation.

mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun.

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Posted by lukebergen on Sat 28 of Nov, 2009 11:59 GMT posts: 493

Ok. So, when one encounters multiple {si}s they should count how many there
are {X}(unless the first is being quoted) and count backwards {X} valsi and
erase all of them and all of the {si}s. Otherwise there would be no way of
{si}ing a {zo}.

I would have expected it to behave like a (-1)^x where the bridi bounces
back and forth between "... zo" and "... zo si" for each new {si} added.

It seems somewhat counter-intuitive but I can see the neccessity of it.

- Luke Bergen

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Minimiscience <minimiscience@gmail.com>wrote:

> de'i li 06 pi'e 07 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Luke Bergen .fy. cusku zoi
> skamyxatra.
> > does "mi cusku zo si si si" mean "I say 'si' ", "I say", "", or
> > something else entirely?
> .skamyxatra
>
> It's grammatically equivalent to "{mi cusku}." See section 19.13 of the
> CLL
> for an explanation.
>
> mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun.
>
> --
> loi jetnu ka'e bartu .ije ku'i loi jitfa cu nenri lo stedu be do
>
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I understand your reasoning, Luke, but if {si si} would cancel out to
the empty string, then there would be no way of erasing multiple
words.

You can compare this to undo functionality in text editors. Emacs
works similarly to how you expected Lojban to work: if you undo
something in Emacs, you can always undo the undoing. In Lojban, you
can't undo undoing and there is no automatic redo.

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Posted by lukebergen on Sat 28 of Nov, 2009 12:06 GMT posts: 493

I wasn't reasoning that the "si" is being canceled by the following "si" but
that when "si" erases the quoted "si" it now leaves us with the string "mi
cusku zo " and now we have "si" again, so we have "mi cusku zo si" because
{zo} goes ahead and quotes the next word like it always does like the
following:

(imagine this being spoken)

1) mi cusku zo si (I say 'si')
2) si (now I've canceled the quoted si leaving us with "mi cusku zo")
3) si (now I've given "zo" something to quote so we have "mi cusku zo si"
like we had in step 1)
4) si (now we've repeated step 2)
5) si (step 3)
6) si (step 2)
...
...

- Luke Bergen

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Daniel Brockman <dbrockman@gmail.com> wrote:

> I understand your reasoning, Luke, but if {si si} would cancel out to
> the empty string, then there would be no way of erasing multiple
> words.
>
> You can compare this to undo functionality in text editors. Emacs
> works similarly to how you expected Lojban to work: if you undo
> something in Emacs, you can always undo the undoing. In Lojban, you
> can't undo undoing and there is no automatic redo.
>
> --
> Daniel Brockman
> daniel@brockman.se
>
>
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