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Currently used experimental cmavo

This list was defeating the purpose of the page, as everyone put their own pet cmavo on it. Currently proposed experimental cmavo still exists. --rab.spir

It might be noted again that showing usage (even non-erroneous, correct and even occasionally useful usage) does not in itself indicate any worthwhileness of the cmavo. Counting usage as a way to support proposed cmavo is manifestly assymetrical to the opposition, as there is no way to document negative usage (sort of like asking "How many books do you read each year? And how many don't you read each year?") Some people who use a cmavo profusely and even correctly do not necessarily carry more weight than the undocumented cases of all the people who do not use it. This doesn't mean this page should not be here, it definitely should (usage must not be ignored either), but the motto "let usage decide" must be taken with appropriate grains of salt, not to wash out the undocumentable non-usage which may be opposition. --mi'e mark

  • I agree, but this page got created because somebody was arguing that lack of usage is evidence of nonworthwhileness. Which is tosh. And
    • Hope you're not referring to me. --jay

Experimental cmavo used by multiple people

  • Has more than one person used xa'o?

  • Am I the only one who has used xei?
    • I'd say this has usage. I used it incidentally in some mailing list messages about hexadecimal. --rab.spir

  • tai'i and ci'oi are used by multiple people who have a knowledge of Japanese language. — guskant

Experimental cmavo used by one person and generally understood

  • mu'ei - used in Flatland. It has also been used by other people, but mostly in the context of discussing what word to use for "if".

  • a'oe - kreig.daniyl. suggested using an extra letter to clarify which sense of a'o was meant, and has used a'oe (event is hoped for and not asserted) here, here, here, and on his homepage.
    • oe isn't even a Lojban dipthong! (It would be confused with ue.) How about a'oi? --rab.spir
      • I had been pronouncing it as three syllables, like a'o,e except that cmavo don't have commas in them. But I will now use a'o'e instead, and I will fix all my uses of it.

  • goi'a - on my homepage. kreig.daniyl.
    • Given the understanding of goi now, should this be moved to Obsolete?

cmavo with dubious usage


(If you encounter one of these cmavo in non-contrived usage and understand it, feel free to move it up.)

  • ki'ai - see comment here. The usage has now become accurate.
    • ...but it's still incomprehensible anyway. Why is that person randomly injecting the exclamation "Norjb!" into a discussion of the cmavo list?
    • It seems the "correction" was to add the cmene norjb after the cmavo, on the strength of a complaint that as a COI word, ki'ai is invoking someone. But there's nothing grammatically wrong with a COI with no "object"; people say coi all the time. I've used ju'ido'u on occasion, for "Hey!" The "object" is ellipsized. I think the complaint is still more along the lines of "but what does it MEAN?" --mi'e mark.
      • Okay, so maybe it goes in dubious usage. I understood it as "Oh, norjb" (as in norjbo) - similar to exclaiming 'Nonsense!' in English but specifying the kind of nonsense. Whoever is using it seems to find ju'e non-lobykai, though they do not give a reason nor is one apparent, at least not to me. So maybe it should be moved to dubious usage. - mi'e. kreig.daniyl. 'done'

Created by rab.spir. Last Modification: Saturday 27 of October, 2012 07:46:21 GMT by guskant.
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