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I see,
ki'e for the easy explanation!

Am Sonntag 01 Juni 2008 04:03:19 schrieb Minimiscience:
> No, the translation given is correct. This can be demonstrated with a
> truth table:
>
> d|r|n|d<->r|d<->r<->n
> -|-|-|---|---
> T|T|T| T | T
> T|T|F| T | F
> T|F|T| F | F
> T|F|F| F | T
> F|T|T| F | F
> F|T|F| F | T
> F|F|T| T | T
> F|F|F| T | F
>
> Remember that (a) an "iff" statement is true only if both elements are
> true *or* neither element is true, and (b) Lojban connectives are left-
> associative.

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Posted by Minimiscience on Mon 16 of Jun, 2008 06:02 GMT posts: 3588

On May 31, 2008, at 9:41 PM, nam wrote:
> "mi dotco .ijo mi ricfu .ijo mi nanmu" => "an accurate translation
> would be:
> Of the three properties - German-ness, wealth, and manhood I
> possess
> either exactly one or else all three."
>
> I would say it should be: "I possess either (exactly) none or else
> all three"
>
> If you agree, I'll add this to the CLL-errata wiki-page.

No, the translation given is correct. This can be demonstrated with a
truth table:

d|r|n|d<->r|d<->r<->n
-|-|-|---|---
T|T|T| T | T
T|T|F| T | F
T|F|T| F | F
T|F|F| F | T
F|T|T| F | F
F|T|F| F | T
F|F|T| T | T
F|F|F| T | F

Remember that (a) an "iff" statement is true only if both elements are
true *or* neither element is true, and (b) Lojban connectives are left-
associative.

mu'omi'e la'o gy. Minimiscience .gy.

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Posted by PierreAbbat on Mon 16 of Jun, 2008 06:02 GMT posts: 324

On Saturday 31 May 2008 21:41, nam wrote:
> "mi dotco .ijo mi ricfu .ijo mi nanmu" => "an accurate translation would
> be: Of the three properties - German-ness, wealth, and manhood I
> possess either exactly one or else all three."
>
> I would say it should be: "I possess either (exactly) none or else all
> three"
>
> If you agree, I'll add this to the CLL-errata wiki-page.

No. {ijo} is "if and only if"; {ijonai} is "exclusive or". An arbitrarily long
string of propositions connected by these is false if an odd number of them
are false, or if an even number are false, depending on the number of {nai}.
Think of those switches such that if you flip one, it turns the light off if
it's on, or vice versa, and there are several in a room, all controlling the
same light.

Pierre

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Posted by namor on Mon 16 of Jun, 2008 06:03 GMT posts: 42

"mi dotco .ijo mi ricfu .ijo mi nanmu" => "an accurate translation would be:
Of the three properties - German-ness, wealth, and manhood I possess
either exactly one or else all three."

I would say it should be: "I possess either (exactly) none or else all three"

If you agree, I'll add this to the CLL-errata wiki-page.

mu'o mi'e nam

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