ziryroi ? Posted by rlpowell on Fri 17 of Oct, 2008 17:30 GMT posts: 14214 Use this thread to discuss the ziryroi ? page.
Posted by rlpowell on Fri 17 of Oct, 2008 17:30 GMT posts: 14214 http://www.amazon.com/Chain-Different-Languages-Juliana-Spahr/dp/0966630300 says that Helsem wrote ziryroi, the first book in Lojban. I've never seen ziryroi; how long is it? -Robin, who wants to keep his title. -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" — http://shorl.com/tydruhedufogre http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by Anonymous on Fri 17 of Oct, 2008 18:20 GMT On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > http://www.amazon.com/Chain-Different-Languages-Juliana-Spahr/dp/0966630300 > says that Helsem wrote ziryroi, the first book in Lojban. I've > never seen ziryroi; how long is it? It's 23 letter-size pages, including the covers. It's a poetry book. It contains poems in Lojban with English translation/glosses. "ziryroi" originally meant "purple-rock" because it was written before the Great Rafsi Shift. Now it means "a purple number of times". I got a copy from lojbab on my first logfest ui. This is the first poem: << lu le puzi cerni vau li'u tcita levi pemci po'u tu'e .oi lemi pamoi ckavelylafti stapa pu jalra catra tu'u zi'e poi selgicfanva fi de'e .i zoi .zy. "This moning" (Complaint!) my first lifting-out-of-bed step was a cockroach killer. (haiku) 9-27-89 revised 4-19-91 .zy. vau >> mu'o mi' xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by rlpowell on Fri 17 of Oct, 2008 18:28 GMT posts: 14214 On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 03:18:45PM -0300, Jorge LlambÃas wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Robin Lee Powell > <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Chain-Different-Languages-Juliana-Spahr/dp/0966630300 > > says that Helsem wrote ziryroi, the first book in Lojban. I've > > never seen ziryroi; how long is it? > > It's 23 letter-size pages, including the covers. OK, so I've still got the first non-trivial book. Not that 23 pages of Lojban *poetry* is anything less than impressive. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" — http://shorl.com/tydruhedufogre http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by Anonymous on Fri 17 of Oct, 2008 18:51 GMT On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > OK, so I've still got the first non-trivial book. How many pages does lai nicte cadzu fill? > Not that 23 pages of Lojban *poetry* is anything less than > impressive. The last page says "ckufukpi la'u li rexa de'i xapi'e sopa". If there were only 26 copies made, I guess I have a rare collector's item in my hands. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by rlpowell on Fri 17 of Oct, 2008 20:28 GMT posts: 14214 On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 03:39:17PM -0300, Jorge LlambÃas wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Robin Lee Powell > <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > > OK, so I've still got the first non-trivial book. > > How many pages does lai nicte cadzu fill? About a hundred, IIRC. I'd have to actually ask something to print it to be sure. Actually, I'm sorry, you're first on the non-trivial book front; I'm first *original* non-trivial book. > > Not that 23 pages of Lojban *poetry* is anything less than > > impressive. > > The last page says "ckufukpi la'u li rexa de'i xapi'e sopa". If > there were only 26 copies made, I guess I have a rare collector's > item in my hands. So it would seem! -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" — http://shorl.com/tydruhedufogre http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by lojbab on Fri 17 of Oct, 2008 20:43 GMT posts: 162 Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 03:39:17PM -0300, Jorge Llambas wrote: > >>On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Robin Lee Powell >><rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: >> >>>OK, so I've still got the first non-trivial book. >> >>How many pages does lai nicte cadzu fill? > > > About a hundred, IIRC. I'd have to actually ask something to print > it to be sure. > > Actually, I'm sorry, you're first on the non-trivial book front; I'm > first *original* non-trivial book. > > >>>Not that 23 pages of Lojban *poetry* is anything less than >>>impressive. >> >>The last page says "ckufukpi la'u li rexa de'i xapi'e sopa". If >>there were only 26 copies made, I guess I have a rare collector's >>item in my hands. > > > So it would seem! I believe that the LLG archives here have most of the copies, but I haven't dug them out in a while. If I get a chance to find them, I will send one to Robin, since I have to mail something to him anyway. lojbab To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by rlpowell on Fri 17 of Oct, 2008 20:43 GMT posts: 14214 On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 04:36:50PM -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 03:39:17PM -0300, Jorge LlambÃas wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Robin Lee Powell >>> <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: >>> >>>> OK, so I've still got the first non-trivial book. >>> >>> How many pages does lai nicte cadzu fill? >> >> >> About a hundred, IIRC. I'd have to actually ask something to >> print it to be sure. >> >> Actually, I'm sorry, you're first on the non-trivial book front; >> I'm first *original* non-trivial book. >> >> >>>> Not that 23 pages of Lojban *poetry* is anything less than >>>> impressive. >>> >>> The last page says "ckufukpi la'u li rexa de'i xapi'e sopa". If >>> there were only 26 copies made, I guess I have a rare >>> collector's item in my hands. >> >> >> So it would seem! > > I believe that the LLG archives here have most of the copies, but > I haven't dug them out in a while. If I get a chance to find > them, I will send one to Robin, since I have to mail something to > him anyway. What I'd *like* to do is get them on the web, but I've no idea how to get in touch with Helsem these days. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" — http://shorl.com/tydruhedufogre http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by arj on Fri 17 of Oct, 2008 21:19 GMT posts: 953 On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 01:39:02PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 04:36:50PM -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: Michael Helsem's _ziryroi_ > > > > I believe that the LLG archives here have most of the copies, but > > I haven't dug them out in a while. If I get a chance to find > > them, I will send one to Robin, since I have to mail something to > > him anyway. > > What I'd *like* to do is get them on the web, but I've no idea how > to get in touch with Helsem these days. http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta1.html http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta2.html http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta1.html http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book1.html http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book2.html http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book3.html -- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ The savvy DXer will usually bet a pair of nickels he can pinpoint the DXCC country of the "chopity-chow-pit chow-chow-pi-chow" even before he hears the call sign. -John F. Lindholm, QST vol. 66 no. 3 p. 83 To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by rlpowell on Fri 17 of Oct, 2008 21:19 GMT posts: 14214 On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 11:16:30PM +0200, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 01:39:02PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 04:36:50PM -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > Michael Helsem's _ziryroi_ > > > > > > I believe that the LLG archives here have most of the copies, but > > > I haven't dug them out in a while. If I get a chance to find > > > them, I will send one to Robin, since I have to mail something to > > > him anyway. > > > > What I'd *like* to do is get them on the web, but I've no idea how > > to get in touch with Helsem these days. > > http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta1.html > http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta2.html > http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta1.html > > http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book1.html > http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book2.html > http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book3.html Is that everything? -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" — http://shorl.com/tydruhedufogre http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by lojbab on Sat 18 of Oct, 2008 02:16 GMT posts: 162 Robin Lee Powell wrote: >>I believe that the LLG archives here have most of the copies, but >>I haven't dug them out in a while. If I get a chance to find >>them, I will send one to Robin, since I have to mail something to >>him anyway. > > > What I'd *like* to do is get them on the web, but I've no idea how > to get in touch with Helsem these days. http://graywyvern.livejournal.com/profile To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by Anonymous on Sat 18 of Oct, 2008 03:35 GMT On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Arnt Richard Johansen <arj@nvg.org> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 01:39:02PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> >> What I'd *like* to do is get them on the web, but I've no idea how >> to get in touch with Helsem these days. > > http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta1.html > http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta2.html > http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta3.html > > http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book1.html > http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book2.html > http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book3.html These are a second batch, not the same poems from the ziryroi book, which don't seem to be on the web. (At least Google doesn't find them.) mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
