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xractu - learn Lojban with pictures

I am doing a little experiment. I am writing a Lojban tutorial purely with
pictures. It is *loosely* based on the *A Quick Tour of Lojban Grammar, With
Diagrams* section of *The Complete Lojban Language*. The idea is:

  • You shouldn't have to translate to and from your natural language, or any

other language you speak, when using/learning Lojban.

  • We shouldn't have to translate all the Lojban books to every language.

It's just infeasible.

  • You should be able to have an "intuitive", that is, kind of raw, (and here

is where it is kind of experimental) unbaised interpretation of the graphics
and the meaning of the words and grammar.

If you want to contribute graphics/sound, reply or email me directly, or
talk in #lojban. If you have ideas/constructive criticism, do the same.

Please get your friends to have a look at this (work-in-progress, so it will
change frequently and get bigger) page and study the pictures, and tell me
what they interpret these words to mean. If they have trouble, it's probably
my fault and I'm not getting the pictures right, so don't worry.

http://jbotcan.org/xractu/xractu/xractu.html

Cheers,

Christopher

posts: 85

I hasten to add that I'm volunteering audio for this project. But nobody
wants to learn only my pronunciation! Please can others volunteer audio too?
Especially as my microphone is back at the shop.

mu'o mi'e cmacis

posts: 14214

On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 05:47:56PM +0000, Christopher Done wrote:
> I am doing a little experiment. I am writing a Lojban tutorial
> purely with pictures.

I've been calling for that for ... looks like at least 5 years. :-)
Esperanto has a picture book for learning called Autodidakte, IIRC,
and I think we should have one too.

> If you want to contribute graphics/sound, reply or email me
> directly, or talk in #lojban. If you have ideas/constructive
> criticism, do the same.

As usual, I am happy to read anything anybody wants if they send me
the text via email.

-Robin

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2009/3/14 Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>

> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 05:47:56PM +0000, Christopher Done wrote:
> > I am doing a little experiment. I am writing a Lojban tutorial
> > purely with pictures.
>
> I've been calling for that for ... looks like at least 5 years. :-)
> Esperanto has a picture book for learning called Autodidakte, IIRC,
> and I think we should have one too.


I'm glad you already wanted this. Esperanto's picture book sounds like
another good resource for inspiration and ideas, thanks.


> > If you want to contribute graphics/sound, reply or email me
> > directly, or talk in #lojban. If you have ideas/constructive
> > criticism, do the same.
>
> As usual, I am happy to read anything anybody wants if they send me
> the text via email.


As James Riley is also up for this I suspect we'll be organising some texts
to be recorded, so I or James will forward them to you. I'll also contribute
to the recordings. I can probably get other people onboard.

Cheers,

Christopher

posts: 381

In a message dated 3/14/2009 19:05:34 Eastern Daylight Time,
chrisdone@googlemail.com writes:


>
> >> Esperanto has a picture book for learning called Autodidakte, IIRC,
>>
>
> I'm glad you already wanted this. Esperanto's picture book sounds like
> another good resource for inspiration and ideas, thanks.
>
>

I've had a book for many years called "English through Pictures". I bought
it for the preface, which is in many languages, but the book itself is pretty
good too.

stevo

posts: 71


all audio i have submitted is available on the multimedia page. with some editing, all of the attitudinals are available there too.







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I hasten to add that I'm volunteering audio for this project. But nobody wants to learn only my pronunciation! Please can others volunteer audio too? Especially as my microphone is back at the shop.

mu'o mi'e cmacis






posts: 71


i also can record any text sent this way, providing it is not obscenely long.







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2009/3/14 Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>



On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 05:47:56PM +0000, Christopher Done wrote:

> I am doing a little experiment. I am writing a Lojban tutorial

> purely with pictures.




I've been calling for that for ... looks like at least 5 years. ?:)

Esperanto has a picture book for learning called Autodidakte, IIRC,

and I think we should have one too.


I'm glad you already wanted this. Esperanto's picture book sounds like another good resource for inspiration and ideas, thanks.
?



> If you want to contribute graphics/sound, reply or email me


> directly, or talk in #lojban. If you have ideas/constructive

> criticism, do the same.




As usual, I am happy to read anything anybody wants if they send me

the text via email.


As James Riley is also up for this I suspect we'll be organising some texts to be recorded, so I or James will forward them to you. I'll also contribute to the recordings. I can probably get other people onboard.


Cheers,

Christopher








2009/3/15 <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com>

> I've had a book for many years called "English through Pictures". I bought
> it for the preface, which is in many languages, but the book itself is
> pretty good too.


Thanks! I found the web site: http://www.englishthroughpictures.com/

Looking at the picture and comparing to my own Lojban slides, it's
interesting to me how English forces explicit mention of present tense, and
with two different words; if I were learning, say, Arabic, with similar
pictures, such (crappy) grammatical nuances like that would trip (and
probably did when I tried Arabic on Rosetta Stone) me up. Also, I'm not even
sure the "she is here" one would make sense to me at all. I'd read it as "we
are here". Hm. i'e nai ru'e bu'o

Again, thanks! It's nice to see more and more evidence that this can be
effective.

2009/3/15 <thirderivative@aol.com>

> i also can record any text sent this way, providing it is not obscenely
> long.
>

Roger, it ought to be phrases which are mostly one to five words in length
for the most part.

Cheers,

Christopher