Lojban In General

Posted by lukebergen on Wed 03 of Feb, 2010 00:14 GMT posts: 493

Is there a lojban equivalent for "deja vu"?

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

> It seems to me that we should make fu'ivla, at least sometimes, the
> way English does: by contracting annoyingly long compound words.
>
> Example: "cellphone", which is its own word short for "cellular
> telephone" (at least), which are themselves compounds if I'm not
> mistaken. It seems to me that we could do something similar, by
> creating the crazy-long jvajvo word and then, if it's popular,
> ripping parts out in such a way as to create a *fu'ivla* rather than
> a less-jva-jvo
>
> Just a thought.
>
> -Robin
>
>
> --
> They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
> And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something
> other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/
>
>
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>
>

Posted by lukebergen on Wed 03 of Feb, 2010 00:14 GMT posts: 493

Sorry, I meant to add an actual comment in addition to my snarky remark but
accidentally hit send. I love this idea. One of the things about lojban
that kind of bugs me is how quickly and easily words can get absurdly long.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there a lojban equivalent for "deja vu"?
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>
>> It seems to me that we should make fu'ivla, at least sometimes, the
>> way English does: by contracting annoyingly long compound words.
>>
>> Example: "cellphone", which is its own word short for "cellular
>> telephone" (at least), which are themselves compounds if I'm not
>> mistaken. It seems to me that we could do something similar, by
>> creating the crazy-long jvajvo word and then, if it's popular,
>> ripping parts out in such a way as to create a *fu'ivla* rather than
>> a less-jva-jvo
>>
>> Just a thought.
>>
>> -Robin
>>
>>
>> --
>> They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
>> And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something
>> other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
>> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/
>>
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to
>> lojban-list-request@lojban.org
>> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
>> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
>>
>>
>

Posted by timonator on Wed 03 of Feb, 2010 00:14 GMT posts: 85851

Luke Bergen wrote:
> Sorry, I meant to add an actual comment in addition to my snarky remark but
> accidentally hit send. I love this idea. One of the things about lojban
> that kind of bugs me is how quickly and easily words can get absurdly long.

Not saying enough looooooong words aloud makes you go soft

English has ridiculously long words, too, sometimes

ta'o mi ji'a zanru i'e
mu'o mi'e timos

Recall that from the early days, i.e., Loglan, the ideal was always a vivid metaphor, not a detailed description. Failing that, the least you can do is drop out all the generic stuff from the description and just get to the peculiar bits. Of course, Japanese and Russian masters of this sort of thing would go on to cutting back on even these bits, but that makes for unreadable compounds — not that readable is always that much help. Actually, and this is back to deja vu, purely functional derivatives were once the norm, with analyzable ones and afterthought. You learned them almost like gismu (indeed, many of them were in gismu form) with the derivation (obscure, perhaps) being an aid (actually better than the language base for gismus).

From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
To: lojban-list@lojban.org
Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 1:21:16 PM
Subject: lojban Re: Random fu'ivla formation thought.

Sorry, I meant to add an actual comment in addition to my snarky remark but accidentally hit send. I love this idea. One of the things about lojban that kind of bugs me is how quickly and easily words can get absurdly long.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

>Is there a lojban equivalent for "deja vu"?
>
>
>
>On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>
>It seems to me that we should make fu'ivla, at least sometimes, the
>>>>way English does: by contracting annoyingly long compound words.
>>
>>>>Example: "cellphone", which is its own word short for "cellular
>>>>telephone" (at least), which are themselves compounds if I'm not
>>>>mistaken. It seems to me that we could do something similar, by
>>>>creating the crazy-long jvajvo word and then, if it's popular,
>>>>ripping parts out in such a way as to create a *fu'ivla* rather than
>>>>a less-jva-jvo
>>
>>>>Just a thought.
>>
>>>>-Robin
>>
>>
>>>>--
>>>>They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
>>>>And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something
>>>>other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
>>http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/
>>
>>
>>>>To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org
>>>>with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
>>>>you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
>>
>>
>