History: Currently used experimental cmavo

Source of version: 4 (current)

This list was defeating the purpose of the page, as everyone put their own pet cmavo on it. ((Currently proposed experimental cmavo)) still exists. --((rab.spir)) It might be noted again that showing usage (even non-erroneous, correct and even occasionally useful usage) does not in itself indicate any worthwhileness of the cmavo. Counting usage as a way to support proposed cmavo is manifestly assymetrical to the opposition, as there is no way to document __negative__ usage (sort of like asking "How many books do you read each year? And how many don't you read each year?") Some people who use a cmavo profusely and even correctly do not necessarily carry more weight than the undocumented cases of all the people who do not use it. This doesn't mean this page should not be here, it definitely should (usage must not be ignored either), but the motto "((let usage decide))" must be taken with appropriate grains of salt, not to wash out the undocumentable non-usage which __may__ be opposition. ''--mi'e ((Mark Shoulson|mark))'' * I agree, but this page got created because somebody was arguing that lack of usage is evidence of nonworthwhileness. Which is tosh. ((And)) ** Hope you're not referring to me. --((Jay Kominek|jay)) ---- !!!Experimental cmavo used by multiple people * ((sa'ei)) -- used in a side comment on ((random sentence generator)), and 3 times in Broken Phone, ((round two)) * Has more than one person used ((xa'o))? * Am ((kreig.daniyl.|I)) the only one who has used ((xei))? ** I'd say this has usage. I used it incidentally in some mailing list messages about hexadecimal. --((rab.spir)) * ((tai'i)) and ((ci'oi)) are used by multiple people who have a knowledge of Japanese language. -- guskant ---- !!!Experimental cmavo used by one person and generally understood * ((mu'ei)) - used in ((Flatland)). It has also been used by other people, but mostly in the context of discussing what word to use for "if". * ((xa'o)) ** ''".i .uiru'e .a'ucu'i ku'i pe'i mi jinga ki'u le du'u xy. xa'o darlu"'' - said by ((xod)) in [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/8389 **] a few other uses by ((xod)) * ((xo'a)) --see [http://nuzban.wiw.org/wiki/index.php?JCB,] which is taken from the egroups list (at the time of the First Digger's '' co'a lenku margu''). ** .uanai. "cool mercury"?? (See ((LojbanSlang)).) *** Also ((ctatanru|here)). * a'oe - ((kreig.daniyl.)) [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/8696|suggested] using an extra letter to clarify which sense of a'o was meant, and has used a'oe (event is hoped for and not asserted) ((Borrowing from Loglan|here)), ((if|here)), ((foo|here)), and on his homepage. ** ''oe'' isn't even a Lojban dipthong! (It would be confused with ''ue''.) How about ''a'oi''? --((rab.spir)) *** I had been pronouncing it as three syllables, like ''a'o,e'' except that cmavo don't have commas in them. But I will now use a'o'e instead, and I will fix all my uses of it. * ((goi'a)) - on my homepage. ((kreig.daniyl.)) ** Given the understanding of ''goi'' now, should this be moved to Obsolete? * ((ba'oi)) - Used by ((And)) in ((Round Two)) of the ((Broken Phone)) game. ---- !!!cmavo with dubious usage (If you encounter one of these cmavo in non-contrived usage and understand it, feel free to move it up.) * ((ki'ai)) - see comment ((ju'e|here)). The usage has now become accurate. ** ...but it's still incomprehensible anyway. Why is that person randomly injecting the exclamation "Norjb!" into a discussion of the cmavo list? ** It seems the "correction" was to add the cmene ''norjb'' after the cmavo, on the strength of a complaint that as a COI word, ''ki'ai'' is invoking someone. But there's nothing grammatically wrong with a COI with no "object"; people say ''coi'' all the time. I've used ''ju'ido'u'' on occasion, for "Hey!" The "object" is ellipsized. I think the complaint is still more along the lines of "but what does it MEAN?" ''--mi'e mark.'' *** Okay, so maybe it goes in dubious usage. I understood it as "Oh, ''norjb''" (as in norjbo) - similar to exclaiming 'Nonsense!' in English but specifying the kind of nonsense. Whoever is using it seems to find ju'e non-((lobykai)), though they do not give a reason nor is one apparent, at least not to me. So maybe it should be moved to dubious usage. - mi'e. ((kreig.daniyl.)) '''done'''