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Posted by Anonymous on Mon 16 of Jun, 2008 06:01 GMT I'm sorry, but I just do not get it. I'm sure that creating a consistent orthography is a fascinatin' and absorbing artistic project. But what in the world is the sense of taking a language whose syntax is by designed unlike any other, and whose vocabulary is already a challenge to learn using familiar letters for (mostly) familiar sounds, and making it even MORE arcane by writing those letters in a completely new script? Churchill said of Russia, "It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma." Well, this orthography would be the enigma cloak for the riddle of lojban vocabulary wrapped in the mystery of lojban syntax. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by Lakmir. on Mon 16 of Jun, 2008 06:01 GMT posts: 21 On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:11 AM, David Cortesi <davecortesi@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm sorry, but I just do not get it. what in the world is the sense of > taking a language whose syntax is by designed unlike any other, and > whose vocabulary is already a challenge to learn using familiar > letters for (mostly) familiar sounds, and making it even MORE arcane > by writing those letters in a completely new script? A completely valid point. As you said, it's been fun to work on just as a project, so it doesn't really need any further justification. But even aside from that, the 'familiar' letters are only familiar for those who are raised speaking a languages which is written with a latin alphabet. This kind of 'weighting' defeats Lojban's ideal of being as culturally neutral as possible, and a script which is unrelated to any other is one of the ways to approach that ideal. That said, the aforementioned 'ideal' was really only the inspiration for this little project - the enjoyment of the process itself was the main motivation for me On another note, if anyone's still interested at all... the third revision of the the script is online here: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Lakmir.%27s+Orthography+v3&bl I'm quite pleased with this one, I feel that it's very close to being finalised. If anyone has any further comments or recommendations, I will take them into consideration, otherwise rev4 will just be a careful aesthetic tweak and then i'll upload it as Truetype for everyone to play with. Thanks for your comments Dave Lak To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by eyeonus on Mon 16 of Jun, 2008 06:01 GMT posts: 86 I still don't like p/b, and I still think the vowel pairs idea is a good one. I'm going to pretend the break-for-accent is optional, since I /really/ don't like that. I'm happy with the new sy. family, and with the rest of it as well. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
Posted by Lakmir. on Mon 16 of Jun, 2008 06:01 GMT posts: 21 Yep, optional loop-breaking is a definite go-ahead for the final revision. If you're not a fan of the break method your other options are breaking and then attempting to resume your interlerfu line, or going back over your word/sentence when its done. I opted away from pairing the vowels because I feel that they're somehow more fundamental to the language in a way, and that they benefit from a stronger visual distinction than a diacritic mark. Notice that in terms of shape, they're sort of paired anyway. I too, am extremely pleased that I (with notable assistance from lojban, ki'e rodo) was able to come up with a better solution for sy.. The bar and a squiggle were really pretty meh. As for p/b, you're quite entitled to not like it, but short of someone presenting a ground-breaking alternative, it'll stay, i think it serves its function. ki'e le do spuda mu'o To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.