Lojban In General

{ku} is just the terminator for the tense cmavo when it appears somewhere
other than right before the selbri, so:

{caku mi klama le zarci} = "Now I'm going to the store."

Posted by lukebergen on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 11:34 GMT posts: 493

ahh, I see. I thought I remembered reading something like that in the CLL
but couldn't find it.

So now I'm just curious about the "ko'i goi lo prenu" thing.

mu'o mi'e pafcribe

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jonathan <jon214@gmail.com> wrote:

> {ku} is just the terminator for the tense cmavo when it appears somewhere
> other than right before the selbri, so:
>
> {caku mi klama le zarci} = "Now I'm going to the store."
>

I think {ko'i goi lo prenu} and {lo prenu goi ko'i} mean roughly the same
thing. See here:
http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter7.html#e5d4(Example
5.4)

Posted by brablonau on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 11:35 GMT posts: 80

Jonathan <jon214@gmail.com> writes:

> I think {ko'i goi lo prenu} and {lo prenu goi ko'i} mean roughly the same
> thing. See here:
> http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter7.html#e5d4(Example
> 5.4)

Agreed. The grammar allows both {ko'i goi lo prenu} and {lo prenu goi
ko'i}, and the only real difference is word order. Since {lo prenu}
is essentially a constant term (as opposed to {ko'i}, which acts like
a variable), it is clear which way the assignment is: {lo prenu} is
being assigned to {ko'i}.

What gets thorny is when the sumti on BOTH sides of {goi} are members
of KOhA, i.e.: {ko'a goi ko'e}. Is this assigning the meaning of
{ko'e} to {ko'a}, or assigning the meaning of {ko'a} to {ko'e}?

Somewhere on the wiki there's talk about {goi} performing the
equivalent of mathematical unification. That makes sense from a
logical perspective. It could even be useful for computers that speak
Lojban to each other. But, having to keep track of what members of
KOhA have been unified with what is probably more than my human brain
could handle. It would be nice to have some convention, perhaps
involving {ra'o}, to distinguish between unification and simple
assignment.

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Posted by lagejyspa on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 11:35 GMT posts: 350

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

> ahh, I see. I thought I remembered reading something like that in the CLL
> but couldn't find it.
>
> So now I'm just curious about the "ko'i goi lo prenu" thing.
>

Some points to keep in mind with BB&tPP — it was my first attempt at
translating, and was written over the course of a year, so even though it's
been gone over in great detail by some people since then there are bound to
be things that might have been done better. Also, the Berenstains' language
can get quite complex. As to "KOhA goi" , I tend to use that order when the
value being assigned is, as here, complex and convoluted.

--gejyspa