Lojban In General

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2009/8/11, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>:
> I was picturing the following scenario playing out between a lojbanic parent
> and his/her child:
>
> rirni: lo re titla cu banzu
> verba: .i go'i fi lonu do tolxendo
> rirni .i do binxo lo xlali verba
> verba: .i go'i fi lonu do tolxendo
> rirni .i o'onai .i lo nu do tavla cu ckape do

> rirni .i o'onaicai .i .au mi darxi do
>
> now I would think that a child learning a language as they grow would tend
> to see the generalities of a language and apply those generalities to
> unknown words and concepts. So wouldn't the child expect that the following
> response (un-doubtedly screamed while running for cover):
>
> verba: .i go'i fi lonu do tolxendo
>
> would continue to be clever and grammatically correct since "fi"
> *seems*like it usually means "under conditions"?
>
> Could the constantly shifting places for concepts like "under conditions"
> cause natural learners of lojban to get confused?
>
> mu'o mi'e pafcribe
>

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Posted by brablonau on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 11:59 GMT posts: 80

Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> writes:

> now I would think that a child learning a language as they grow would tend
> to see the generalities of a language and apply those generalities to
> unknown words and concepts. So wouldn't the child expect that the following
> response (un-doubtedly screamed while running for cover):
>
> verba: .i go'i fi lonu do tolxendo
>
> would continue to be clever and grammatically correct since "fi"
> *seems*like it usually means "under conditions"?
>
> Could the constantly shifting places for concepts like "under conditions"
> cause natural learners of lojban to get confused?

Luke, I don't know what your native language is... I'm assuming it's
English.

Children learning English have to contend with all sorts of confusing
features of language... the irregularity of verbs like "to be"
(am/are/is/etc.), homonyms like where/wear/we're and their/there, etc.
Yet, somehow, kids (with, perhaps, a little schooling) manage to sort
them all out. Lojban has no homonyms or irregulars like nat langs do.
However, there is a whole mess of cmavo, rafsi, and (as you point out)
structural elements to be learned.

Which language, over all, is easier to learn? I don't know. But if I
had to bet, I'd put my money on Lojban.

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Posted by lagejyspa on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:00 GMT posts: 350

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

> I was picturing the following scenario playing out between a lojbanic
> parent and his/her child:
>
> rirni: lo re titla cu banzu
> verba: .i go'i fi lonu do tolxendo
> rirni .i do binxo lo xlali verba
> verba: .i go'i fi lonu do tolxendo
> rirni .i o'onai .i lo nu do tavla cu ckape do

> rirni .i o'onaicai .i .au mi darxi do
>
> now I would think that a child learning a language as they grow would tend
> to see the generalities of a language and apply those generalities to
> unknown words and concepts. So wouldn't the child expect that the following
> response (un-doubtedly screamed while running for cover):
>
> verba: .i go'i fi lonu do tolxendo
>
> would continue to be clever and grammatically correct since "fi" *seems*like it usually means "under conditions"?
>
> Could the constantly shifting places for concepts like "under conditions"
> cause natural learners of lojban to get confused?
>

I dunno about all that, but I think the kid would more likely say
".imu'ibo do kusru" after each one, which would always work, rather than
using the go'i construction, and is more accurate IMO, than "under
conditions"

--gejyspa

Posted by lukebergen on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:04 GMT posts: 493

yeah, I was just trying to think of an example where many different gismu
have the same position for the same concept and came up with "under
conditions".

- Luke Bergen

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I was picturing the following scenario playing out between a lojbanic
>> parent and his/her child:
>>
>> rirni: lo re titla cu banzu
>> verba: .i go'i fi lonu do tolxendo
>> rirni .i do binxo lo xlali verba
>> verba: .i go'i fi lonu do tolxendo
>> rirni .i o'onai .i lo nu do tavla cu ckape do

>> rirni .i o'onaicai .i .au mi darxi do
>>
>> now I would think that a child learning a language as they grow would tend
>> to see the generalities of a language and apply those generalities to
>> unknown words and concepts. So wouldn't the child expect that the following
>> response (un-doubtedly screamed while running for cover):
>>
>> verba: .i go'i fi lonu do tolxendo
>>
>> would continue to be clever and grammatically correct since "fi" *seems*like it usually means "under conditions"?
>>
>> Could the constantly shifting places for concepts like "under conditions"
>> cause natural learners of lojban to get confused?
>>
>
> I dunno about all that, but I think the kid would more likely say
> ".imu'ibo do kusru" after each one, which would always work, rather than
> using the go'i construction, and is more accurate IMO, than "under
> conditions"
>
> --gejyspa
>
>
>