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    Posted by brablonau on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:04 GMT posts: 80

    MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com writes:

    > In a message dated 8/18/2009 01:16:55 Eastern Daylight Time,
    > vonunov@gmail.com writes:
    >
    >
    > > On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:46:57 -0500, Arran <arran4@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >
    > > > How many lojbanists does it take to change a broken light bulb?
    > >
    > > What kind of lightbulb? How was it broken? How do you mean, "change"?
    > > There are many ways to change something.
    > >
    >
    > And what kind of bulb emits broken light?
    >

    I never really got that joke. .uu The lujvo grouping clearly indicates
    that the questioner is referring to a (broken type-of (light type-of
    bulb)). If anyone thinks the question refers to "broken light",
    they'd have to be misinterpreting the tanru, right?

    Note that the joke works in English: "broken light bulb". I just
    don't think it survives the translation.


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    Posted by lukebergen on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:04 GMT posts: 493

    actually I think you got it backwards. lujvo grouping is left-oriented, so
    it's a "(broken type of light) type of bulb".

    Correct me if I'm wrong doi anybody who has more experience.


    On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:43 AM, <sunrise2000@comcast.net> wrote:

    > MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com writes:
    >
    > > In a message dated 8/18/2009 01:16:55 Eastern Daylight Time,
    > > vonunov@gmail.com writes:
    > >
    > >
    > > > On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:46:57 -0500, Arran <arran4@gmail.com> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > How many lojbanists does it take to change a broken light bulb?
    > > >
    > > > What kind of lightbulb? How was it broken? How do you mean, "change"?
    > > > There are many ways to change something.
    > > >
    > >
    > > And what kind of bulb emits broken light?
    > >
    >
    > I never really got that joke. .uu The lujvo grouping clearly indicates
    > that the questioner is referring to a (broken type-of (light type-of
    > bulb)). If anyone thinks the question refers to "broken light",
    > they'd have to be misinterpreting the tanru, right?
    >
    > Note that the joke works in English: "broken light bulb". I just
    > don't think it survives the translation.
    >
    >
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    Posted by lagejyspa on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:04 GMT posts: 350

    On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Luke Bergen<lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
    > actually I think you got it backwards.  lujvo grouping is left-oriented, so
    > it's a "(broken type of light) type of bulb".
    >
    > Correct me if I'm wrong doi anybody who has more experience.
    >
    >
    > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:43 AM, <sunrise2000@comcast.net> wrote:
    >>
    >> MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com writes:
    >>
    >> > In a message dated 8/18/2009 01:16:55 Eastern Daylight Time,
    >> > vonunov@gmail.com writes:
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > > On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:46:57 -0500, Arran <arran4@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> > >
    >> > > > How many lojbanists does it take to change a broken light bulb?
    >> > >
    >> > > What kind of lightbulb? How was it broken? How do you mean, "change"?
    >> > > There are many ways to change something.
    >> > >
    >> >
    >> > And what kind of bulb emits broken light?
    >> >
    >>
    >> I never really got that joke. .uu The lujvo grouping clearly indicates
    >> that the questioner is referring to a (broken type-of (light type-of
    >> bulb)).  If anyone thinks the question refers to "broken light",
    >> they'd have to be misinterpreting the tanru, right?
    >>
    >> Note that the joke works in English: "broken light bulb".  I just
    >> don't think it survives the translation.
    >>

    "Lujvo grouping" isn't well defined, since they can elide groupers,
    etc. Tanru grouping, on the other hand is always left to right unless
    changed by bo, ke/ke'e, or JA a spofu gusni balji is a (broken-light)
    bulb.

    --gejyspa


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    Posted by lukebergen on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:04 GMT posts: 493

    right right, my bad. I meant to say {tanru} not {lujvo}. I'm always mixing
    them up when reading the refgram and such.

    - Luke Bergen


    On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Michael Turniansky
    <mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:

    > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Luke Bergen<lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
    > > actually I think you got it backwards. lujvo grouping is left-oriented,
    > so
    > > it's a "(broken type of light) type of bulb".
    > >
    > > Correct me if I'm wrong doi anybody who has more experience.
    > >
    > >
    > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:43 AM, <sunrise2000@comcast.net> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com writes:
    > >>
    > >> > In a message dated 8/18/2009 01:16:55 Eastern Daylight Time,
    > >> > vonunov@gmail.com writes:
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > > On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:46:57 -0500, Arran <arran4@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >> > >
    > >> > > > How many lojbanists does it take to change a broken light bulb?
    > >> > >
    > >> > > What kind of lightbulb? How was it broken? How do you mean,
    > "change"?
    > >> > > There are many ways to change something.
    > >> > >
    > >> >
    > >> > And what kind of bulb emits broken light?
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >> I never really got that joke. .uu The lujvo grouping clearly indicates
    > >> that the questioner is referring to a (broken type-of (light type-of
    > >> bulb)). If anyone thinks the question refers to "broken light",
    > >> they'd have to be misinterpreting the tanru, right?
    > >>
    > >> Note that the joke works in English: "broken light bulb". I just
    > >> don't think it survives the translation.
    > >>
    >
    > "Lujvo grouping" isn't well defined, since they can elide groupers,
    > etc. Tanru grouping, on the other hand is always left to right unless
    > changed by bo, ke/ke'e, or JA a spofu gusni balji is a (broken-light)
    > bulb.
    >
    > --gejyspa
    >
    >
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    >
    >

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    Posted by stevo on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:05 GMT posts: 381

    In a message dated 8/18/2009 09:45:03 Eastern Daylight Time,
    sunrise2000@comcast.net writes:


    > I never really got that joke. .uu The lujvo grouping clearly indicates
    > that the questioner is referring to a (broken type-of (light type-of
    > bulb)). If anyone thinks the question refers to "broken light",
    > they'd have to be misinterpreting the tanru, right?
    >
    > Note that the joke works in English: "broken light bulb". I just
    > don't think it survives the translation.
    >

    Of course it doesn't work in Lojban, and for exactly the reason you gave.
    But it does work in English.

    stevo

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    Posted by stevo on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:05 GMT posts: 381

    In a message dated 8/18/2009 19:59:48 Eastern Daylight Time,
    MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com writes:


    > In a message dated 8/18/2009 09:45:03 Eastern Daylight Time,
    > sunrise2000@comcast.net writes:
    >
    >
    > >> I never really got that joke. .uu The lujvo grouping clearly indicates
    >> that the questioner is referring to a (broken type-of (light type-of
    >> bulb)). If anyone thinks the question refers to "broken light",
    >> they'd have to be misinterpreting the tanru, right?
    >>
    >> Note that the joke works in English: "broken light bulb". I just
    >> don't think it survives the translation.
    >>
    >
    > Of course it doesn't work in Lojban, and for exactly the reason you gave.
    > But it does work in English.
    >
    >

    After reading some of the other responses to sunrise's post I realize that
    it does work unambiguously in Lojban.
    I'd forgotten which way the binding goes, but it's opposite the normal
    English direction.

    stevo

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    Posted by slobin on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:05 GMT posts: 40

    On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:04 AM, <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:

    > I'd forgotten which way the binding goes, but it's opposite the normal
    > English direction.

    http://jbotcan.org/jbofihe.cgi?send=spofu+gusni+tutci

    --
    http://slobin.pp.ru/ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said,
    <cyril@slobin.pp.ru> `it means just what I choose it to mean'


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    Posted by stevo on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:05 GMT posts: 381

    In a message dated 8/18/2009 20:21:45 Eastern Daylight Time,
    cyril@slobin.pp.ru writes:


    > http://jbotcan.org/jbofihe.cgi?send=spofu+gusni+tutci

    mi nelci la'e di'u.

    mu'o mi'e stevon

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    Posted by Arran on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:05 GMT

    do nelci la'e la'e de'u xu

    On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:33 AM, <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:

    > In a message dated 8/18/2009 20:21:45 Eastern Daylight Time,
    > cyril@slobin.pp.ru writes:
    >
    >
    > http://jbotcan.org/jbofihe.cgi?send=spofu+gusni+tutci
    >
    >
    >
    > mi nelci la'e di'u.
    >
    > mu'o mi'e stevon

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    Posted by stevo on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:05 GMT posts: 381

    In a message dated 8/18/2009 21:14:42 Eastern Daylight Time,
    arran4@gmail.com writes:


    >
    > do nelci la'e la'e de'u xu
    >

    mi na jimpe

    mu'o mi'e stevon

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    Posted by Arran on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:05 GMT

    Just joking around. The referent of the sentence is the URL, the referent of
    the URL is the website contents.

    On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:05 PM, <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:

    > do nelci la'e la'e de'u xu

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    Posted by stevo on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:05 GMT posts: 381

    In a message dated 8/19/2009 00:12:29 Eastern Daylight Time,
    arran4@gmail.com writes:


    > Just joking around. The referent of the sentence is the URL, the referent
    > of the URL is the website contents.
    >

    That's what I expected.
    It turns out that I used "di'u" out of habit, when I meant "de'u". I even
    looked it up to make sure, and I still used the wrong one.

    stevo

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    Posted by brablonau on Thu 03 of Dec, 2009 12:05 GMT posts: 80

    Arran <arran4@gmail.com> writes:

    > do nelci la'e la'e de'u xu

    .e'u lu mi nelci tu'a la'e la'e di'u li'u


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