Lojban In General

Posted by kribacr on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 08:59 GMT posts: 19

coi .xuinkrbin.

{rafsi} and modals are -entirely- different things. Modals (and in fact any
cmavo) loosely based on the structure of a word are just that - loosely
based on the structure of a word. The rafsi listed in the gismu list are
intended to be used as the building blocks for lujvo. If they mirror a modal
of the same word, it's a happy coincidence.

{fi'e} is definitely the modal for {finti}, and {fi'i} is definitely the
vocative for hospitality. The rafsi {fi'i} of {finti} is just that - a rafsi
of {finti}. You could maybe make a lujvo with something like {sutra} -
{sutfi'i} is in jbovlaste I think and it means "to make something up on the
spot". Likewise you might make a lujvo with {fi'e}, the rafsi for
{finpe} - brafi'e
- barda finpe, large fish.

In short:

{fi'i do} - welcome to you!
{.i ti zdani fi'e do} - this is a house created by you
{.i mi sutfi'i} - i make things up on the spot
{.i ta brafi'e} - that is a large-fish

Rafsi and modals are separate things.

mi'e .kribacr. mu'o

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Frank <frankdmartinez@gmail.com> wrote:

> coi rodo
> I noticed the xml from jbovlaste states fi'e is "finti modal, 1st place
> (creator) created by ...". However, fi'e is also a rafsi for finpe. Should
> the "finti modal ..." actually refer to fi'i, the rafsi of finti? If so,
> what of the fact the file states fi'i is a vocative indicative of
> hospitality/inhospitality?
>
> mi'e xuinkrbin.
>

Posted by winkerbean on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 08:59 GMT posts: 42

doi .kribacr. .i ki'e

I suppose this is what I get for not finishing the reading of LFB. ;-)

mi'e xuinkrbin.

2009/12/4 Jameson Orndorff <jtorndorff@gmail.com>

> coi .xuinkrbin.
>
> {rafsi} and modals are -entirely- different things. Modals (and in fact any
> cmavo) loosely based on the structure of a word are just that - loosely
> based on the structure of a word. The rafsi listed in the gismu list are
> intended to be used as the building blocks for lujvo. If they mirror a modal
> of the same word, it's a happy coincidence.
>
> {fi'e} is definitely the modal for {finti}, and {fi'i} is definitely the
> vocative for hospitality. The rafsi {fi'i} of {finti} is just that - a rafsi
> of {finti}. You could maybe make a lujvo with something like {sutra} -
> {sutfi'i} is in jbovlaste I think and it means "to make something up on the
> spot". Likewise you might make a lujvo with {fi'e}, the rafsi for {finpe} - brafi'e
> - barda finpe, large fish.
>
> In short:
>
> {fi'i do} - welcome to you!
> {.i ti zdani fi'e do} - this is a house created by you
> {.i mi sutfi'i} - i make things up on the spot
> {.i ta brafi'e} - that is a large-fish
>
> Rafsi and modals are separate things.
>
> mi'e .kribacr. mu'o
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Frank <frankdmartinez@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> coi rodo
>> I noticed the xml from jbovlaste states fi'e is "finti modal, 1st
>> place (creator) created by ...". However, fi'e is also a rafsi for finpe.
>> Should the "finti modal ..." actually refer to fi'i, the rafsi of finti?
>> If so, what of the fact the file states fi'i is a vocative indicative of
>> hospitality/inhospitality?
>>
>> mi'e xuinkrbin.
>>
>
>

Posted by kribacr on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 08:59 GMT posts: 19

.i je'e .i xu do ka'e pilno la'oi IRC .i lo nu go'i ku se stidi mi
.i ta'o lo cmene be do cu simsa la .fanki,uinkrbin. xu

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Frank <frankdmartinez@gmail.com> wrote:

> doi .kribacr. .i ki'e
>
> I suppose this is what I get for not finishing the reading of LFB. ;-)
>
> mi'e xuinkrbin.
>
> 2009/12/4 Jameson Orndorff <jtorndorff@gmail.com>
>
> coi .xuinkrbin.
>>
>> {rafsi} and modals are -entirely- different things. Modals (and in fact
>> any cmavo) loosely based on the structure of a word are just that - loosely
>> based on the structure of a word. The rafsi listed in the gismu list are
>> intended to be used as the building blocks for lujvo. If they mirror a modal
>> of the same word, it's a happy coincidence.
>>
>> {fi'e} is definitely the modal for {finti}, and {fi'i} is definitely the
>> vocative for hospitality. The rafsi {fi'i} of {finti} is just that - a rafsi
>> of {finti}. You could maybe make a lujvo with something like {sutra} -
>> {sutfi'i} is in jbovlaste I think and it means "to make something up on the
>> spot". Likewise you might make a lujvo with {fi'e}, the rafsi for {finpe} - brafi'e
>> - barda finpe, large fish.
>>
>> In short:
>>
>> {fi'i do} - welcome to you!
>> {.i ti zdani fi'e do} - this is a house created by you
>> {.i mi sutfi'i} - i make things up on the spot
>> {.i ta brafi'e} - that is a large-fish
>>
>> Rafsi and modals are separate things.
>>
>> mi'e .kribacr. mu'o
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Frank <frankdmartinez@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> coi rodo
>>> I noticed the xml from jbovlaste states fi'e is "finti modal, 1st
>>> place (creator) created by ...". However, fi'e is also a rafsi for finpe.
>>> Should the "finti modal ..." actually refer to fi'i, the rafsi of finti?
>>> If so, what of the fact the file states fi'i is a vocative indicative of
>>> hospitality/inhospitality?
>>>
>>> mi'e xuinkrbin.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Posted by winkerbean on Mon 07 of Dec, 2009 08:59 GMT posts: 42

I do try to use IRC when I can, yes. I've just not had a chance to install
the chat client on this machine yet.

And, yes, the name is taken from the comic.

2009/12/4 Jameson Orndorff <jtorndorff@gmail.com>

> .i je'e .i xu do ka'e pilno la'oi IRC .i lo nu go'i ku se stidi mi
> .i ta'o lo cmene be do cu simsa la .fanki,uinkrbin. xu
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Frank <frankdmartinez@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> doi .kribacr. .i ki'e
>>
>> I suppose this is what I get for not finishing the reading of LFB. ;-)
>>
>> mi'e xuinkrbin.
>>
>> 2009/12/4 Jameson Orndorff <jtorndorff@gmail.com>
>>
>> coi .xuinkrbin.
>>>
>>> {rafsi} and modals are -entirely- different things. Modals (and in fact
>>> any cmavo) loosely based on the structure of a word are just that - loosely
>>> based on the structure of a word. The rafsi listed in the gismu list are
>>> intended to be used as the building blocks for lujvo. If they mirror a modal
>>> of the same word, it's a happy coincidence.
>>>
>>> {fi'e} is definitely the modal for {finti}, and {fi'i} is definitely the
>>> vocative for hospitality. The rafsi {fi'i} of {finti} is just that - a rafsi
>>> of {finti}. You could maybe make a lujvo with something like {sutra} -
>>> {sutfi'i} is in jbovlaste I think and it means "to make something up on the
>>> spot". Likewise you might make a lujvo with {fi'e}, the rafsi for {finpe} - brafi'e
>>> - barda finpe, large fish.
>>>
>>> In short:
>>>
>>> {fi'i do} - welcome to you!
>>> {.i ti zdani fi'e do} - this is a house created by you
>>> {.i mi sutfi'i} - i make things up on the spot
>>> {.i ta brafi'e} - that is a large-fish
>>>
>>> Rafsi and modals are separate things.
>>>
>>> mi'e .kribacr. mu'o
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Frank <frankdmartinez@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> coi rodo
>>>> I noticed the xml from jbovlaste states fi'e is "finti modal, 1st
>>>> place (creator) created by ...". However, fi'e is also a rafsi for finpe.
>>>> Should the "finti modal ..." actually refer to fi'i, the rafsi of finti?
>>>> If so, what of the fact the file states fi'i is a vocative indicative of
>>>> hospitality/inhospitality?
>>>>
>>>> mi'e xuinkrbin.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>