History: cultural fu'ivla

Source of version: 29 (current)

(Don't like ((cultural gismu))? Want to junk all of ((cultural gismu|them))? First you'll need to have replacements available for use.) See ((cultural replacement lujvo)), ((another approach to cultural fu'ivla)) and also ((ISO generated cultural fu'ivla)). !Geographic {FANCYTABLE( width="480",head=" glico | etym. | lojban approximation | CCV'VCV | Notes", sortable="n",sortList="[0,0],[1,0]")} African| |afrkia|fra'ika| Afro-Eurasian| | | | American| |amrkia|mre'ika| Antarctican| | |dzi'ipo| Australian | | | |sra'alo| Asian| | | | xa'azdo| Eurasian| | | | European| |erpa|xre'opa, vre'opa| North American| | |bernmre'ika| South American| | |nanrmre'ika |by the syllable-switching trick, Quechua --> ''tce'uka''? {FANCYTABLE} !Political/Ethnicity/Language (please specify) {FANCYTABLE( width="480",head=" glico |type | etym. | lojban approximation | CCV'VCV | Notes", sortable="n",sortList="[0,0],[1,0]")} Afghan| poli,lang|| | | Afro-Asiatic| | | | | Arabic| ethn,lang|| | | Albanian| | | | | Algerian| |djazari| | Altaic| | | | | American Samoa|Amerika Sāmoa|steito asmo'a| | Andalusian| | | | | Andorran| | | | | Angolan| | | | | Anglophone| lang| | | | | Argentinian| | |arxentina|xre'ina| Armenian | | հայերեն (hɑjɛˈɾɛn)|xa'erne| | Aromanian| | | | | Aruban| | | | | Assyrian| | | | | Australian| |kulnraustralia, straina|sraila| Austrian| | | | | Austronesian| | | | | Azeri|Азәрбајҹан|azrbaidjna| | Bahamian| | | | | Bahraini| | | | | Balochi| | | | | Bangladeshi|বাংলা (ˈbaŋla)|bangla'e| | Bantu| | | | | Barbadian| | | | | Basque|Euskadi|eskladi, skalduna| |country Basque|Euskara|eskra| |language Bavarian (German)|Bayern (ˈbaɪ.ɐn)|bai'arno| | Belarusian|беларуская|blarska'a | | Belgian| | | | | Belizean| | | | | Bengali|Bangla|bengali| | Berber| | | | | Boer| | | | | Bosnian| | | | | Brazilian|Brasil| |bra'ila| Breton| | |bre'one| British| poli | |bri'ito| British Virgin Islands| |bri'ito plurvardjino| | Bulgarian| | | | | Burkinabe| | | | | Burundian| | | | | Cajun| | | | | Cambodian| | | | | Cameroonian| | | | | Canadian| | | | |cka'ada|It seems ''ka'anda'' doesn't fit the ((rafsi fu'ivla)) form. Catalan| | | | | Cape Verdean| | | | | Chadian| | | | | Chilean| | |tci'ile| Chinese| ethn| 中华/zhōnghuá | djonxua | djo'uxa| ((Why jungo makes no sense.)) Chinese (PRC)| poli | 中国/zhōngguó |djonguo | djo'ugo| ((gugrjunguo)) ? see above Chinese (Han)| ethn |汉族 hànzú | xandzu | xna'azu | Chuvash| | Чӑвашла (tɕəʋaʂˈla)|tcufcla| | Colombian| | | | | Comorian| | | | | Conglolese| | | | | Corsican| | | | | Croatian|hrvatski (xř̩ʋaːtski)|xraftski| | Cuban| | | | | Cypriot| | | | | Czech|čeština (ˈt͡ʃɛʃcɪna)|tcectsina| | Dane| | | | | Dominican| | | | | Dravidian| |dravida| | Netherlander/Dutch|Nederland|enderla| | Netherlands Antilles|Nederlandse Antillen| |enderla antile| East Timorese| | | | | Ecuadorian| | | | | Egyptian| | |smi'iro| Emirati| | | | | English| ?| | |gli'ico| Eritrean| | | | | Erzya|эрзянь|erzia| | Esperanto|lang,cult|Esperanto|espranto|spe'ato| Estonian|eesti (ˈeːsti) |esti|ste'iti, sto'ina| Ethiopian| | | | | Evenki|Эвэнки|evneki| | Finn| | | | | Finnic| | | | | Finnish| | |tsu'omi| Finno-Ugric| | | | | Fijian| | | | | Filipino| | | | | French| | |fra'ase| Georgian| | | | | German| | |jdoico| Germanic| | | | | Ghanaian| | | | | Gibraltar| | | | | Greek| poli,lang,ethn|kulnrxelada| | Greenlandic|Kalaallisut|klalsitu| | Grenadian| | | | | Guatemalan| | | | | Guianese| | | | | Guinean| | | | | Guinea-Bissau| | | | | Guyanese| | | | | Haida| | | | | Haitian| | | | | Hebrew| | | | | Hindi| |indi| | Hispanic| | |spi'ani| Honduran| | | | | Hongkonger| |xonkno| | Hungarian|Magyar| |jma'aro| Hutus| | | | | Icelander| | | | | Igbo| | | | | Inari Sami|anarâškielâ|anraci| | Indian| | | | | Indo-Aryan| | | | | Indo-European| | | | | Indonesian| | | | | Inuit| | | | | Inuktitut| |inktitu| | Iranian| | | | | Iraqi| | |xri'aki| Irish|Ireland (ˈaɾlənd), Éire (ˈeːɾʲə)|erlando| | Israeli| | |sra'eli| Italian|Italia|iltalia| | Ivoirian| | | | | Jamaican| | | | | Japanese|Nihon| |sni'ono| Javanese| | | | | Jordanian|Al-Urdun|lurduno| | Karen| | | | | Kazakh| | | | | Kenyan| | | | | Klingon| | |kli'iga| Korean | | | | | | Kosovo Albanian| | | | | Kurd| | | | | Kurdish| | | | | Kuwaiti| | | | | Lao| | | | | Latin|Latīna (laˈtiːna)|kulnrlatina, la'itna, latnia| | Latvian|latviešu|latfiecu| | Lebanese| | | | | Liberian| | | | | Libyan| | | | | Liechtensteiner| | | | | Limbu|Yakthung|iaktu| | Lithuanian|lietuvių|iltuviu| | Livonian|Līvõ|ilvo| | Lojbanic| | | |jbo'anu|This one is ugly.Aside from the debate about whether "Lojbanic" should be a ((fu'ivla)) at all, there's really no good way to cram any form of ''logji bangu'' into CCVVCV. However, here's an attempt. ''jbo'anu'' --((rab.spir)) Maybe ''jbaubo''Ah ha, I get it - rearranging the vowels of ''jbobau''. Luxembourger| | | | | Macedonian| | | | | Malawian| | | | | Malaysian| | |mle'eja| Malay-Indonesian| | | | | Malian| | | | | Maltese| | | | | Manchu| |mantcu'u| | Mandarin|lang|Pǔtōnghuà|putnxua| tno'uxa| Manx| | | | | Maori| | | | | Mauritian| | | | | Mayan| | | | | Mexican| | |sme'iko| Moldovan| | | | | Mongolian| | | | | Moroccan| | |gri'iba| Montenegrin| | | | | Namibian| | | | | Native American| | | | | Nepalese| | | | | New Zealander| | | | | Nicaraguan| | | | | Nigerian| | | | | Nigerien| | | | | Niger-Congo| | | | | Northern Sami|Davvisámegiella|dafsamegiela| Norwegian|| | |sno'ogo|I'm Swedish so feel free to replace if you come up with something better Ossetic|Ирон|irno| | Pakistani| | | | | Palauan| | | | | Palestinian| | | | | Panamanian| | | | | Papua New Guinean| | | | | Paraguayan| | | | | Persian|Farsi| |fa'arsi| Peruvian| | | | | Piedmont (Italian)|Piemonte|pienmote| | Polish|polski|polski|plo'oka| Polynesian| || |plo'ini|forget the autonym, the gismu list manages with ''polno'' Portuguese| | |pro'uge| Puerto Rican| | |prueto| Punjabi| | | | | Quebecer| | | | | Quechua|('χetʃ.wa)|xetcua| | Reunionnai| | | | | Roma| | | | | Romanian| | | | | Russian|русский (ˈruskʲɪj)|kulnlrosia|sro'isa| Rwandan| | | | | Salvandoran| | | | | Sami| | | | | Samoyedic| | | | | Sanskrit|संस्कृता saṃskṛtā|samskrta| | Sao Tome and Principe| | | | | Sardinian| | | | | Saudi| | | | | Semitic| | | | | Senegalese| | | | | Serb|Srpski (ˈsr̩pskiː)|serpski| | Scot| | |sco'oto| Sicilian| | | | | Sierra Leonean| | | | | Silesian| | | | | Singaporean| | | | | Slavic| | |slo'ovo| Slovak|slovenčina|slovntcina| | Slovene|slovenščina|slovnctcina| | Somali| | | | | South African| | | | | Soviet|| |kulnrsovietskii| |Seems wrong for me. ''softo'' does '''not''' mean ''Soviet'' - read the full definition, not just the keyword! -- mi'e ((Cyril Slobin|kir))) Spanish| | |spa'ano| Sri Lankan| | | | | Sudanese| | | | | Swedish| | |sfe'ero| Swiss| | | | | Syrian| | | | | Syriac| | | | | Tai| | | | | Taiwanese| | | | | Tamil| | | | | Tanzanian| | | | | Tatar| | | | | Thai| | | | | Tibetan| | | | | Tlapanec|Meph'aa| Tlingit|Lingít (ɬɪŋkɪ́t)|linkti| | Tobagonian| | | | | Trinidadian| | | | | Tsez|цезйас| |tseiza| Tungusic| | | | | Turkic| | | | | Turkish|Türkçe (ˈt̪yɾktʃe)|turktce| | Tutsi| | | | | Tuvaluan| | | | | Udmurt|удмурт|udmurtu| | Ugandan| | | | | Ugric| | | | | Uralic| | | | | Ukrainian|украї́нська (ukrɑˈjinʲsʲkɑ)|krainska| | Urdu| |urdu| | Uruguayan| | | | | UK| |unke, kingdo| | U.S.| || |steito|I suggest ''steito'' for U.S. Keep in mind that Central Americans call themselves ''americano''.) ''Not only Central Americans. I call myself americano as well. --mi'e ((xorxes))'' Uzbek|Ўзбекча|zbektca| | Venezuelan| | | | | Vietnamese| | ||zvi'ena|I'm not sure if {ie} sounds like "iệt", so I use y'ybu here. I prefer {zv} over {jv} in ease of pronouncing — mi'e xydyx Warlpiri| |uarlpiri| | Welsh|Cymru (ˈkəmrɨ)|ekmru, uelcu|ckueru| Yemeni| | | | | Zambian| | | | | Zimbabwean| | | | | Zulu| | | | | {FANCYTABLE} !Philosophy/Religion {FANCYTABLE( width="480",head=" glico | etym. | lojban approximation | CCV'VCV | Notes", sortable="n",sortList="[0,0],[1,0]")} Aristotelian|Aristoteles|arstotele| | Buddhist| | |jbu'udo| Cartesian|Descartes|dekrto| | Christian| |kulnrxristiano|xraiso| Confucian|Kǒng zǐ|kongzi| | Hobbesian| |xo'obzu| | Islamic| | |sla'ami| Jehovist| | | | Jewish|||dju'icy| Kantian|Kant|aknto|kna'ati | Marxian| Marx |marksu| mra'asi| Platonistic|Platon| |pla'ato| Taoist| 道教/dàojiào | daudjiau |dji'ado, djo'ixo, dja'uda | {FANCYTABLE} ---- !Discussion This whole things seems rather a waste of effort to me. Attempting to come up with a word for each and every country, race, culture, language, etc. that exist is an over-ambitious and ultimately fruitless task. Instead of trying to come up with a "cultural" word for everything, we should use ((cultural replacement lujvo|cultural words)) where the specific culture/language/country/etc. is a place-tag to be filled be a cmene or cmevla. kulnr- words are all well and good, but the idea of cultural fu'ivla as proposed in the book is to use the CCVVCV form so that corresponding CCVVC rafsi can be formed. Many lujvo already involve cultural rafsi (the 3-letter kind), so eliminating cultural rafsi altogether would be damaging to the language. --((rab.spir)) *In that case, Rob, Classic Wiki Conflict Resolution: I suggest kunlr- words, you suggest CCVVCV words, they both go on the Marketplace Of Ideas (and hopefully neither wins and the baseline is preserved! Mwahahah :-) (Btw, as another meta-point: since gli'ico is glico with an extra vowel, it doesn't address the 'recognisability' objection.) -- nitcion **I actually don't have a problem with ((cultural gismu)) - however, if they are going to become taboo, I'd at least like to have ((rafsi fu'ivla)) to fall back on. I realize that CCVVCV will be just as unrecognizable as CCVCV or CVCCV. Besides, this is the one place where the baseline bends! The book states that ((rafsi fu'ivla)) might be used, or they might not. I think we might as well play with it and see what happens. ** and if neither wins, what do we do for, say, taiwanese culture? Are we agreed that the place should form the basis of cultural fu'ivla in general (and where available --- counterexample, Roma/Gypsies), rather than the nationality? That's what has been assumed in ((le tutra pe le terdi)). (And please God, not more "thousand flowers".) Is it ''kulnlrosia'', or ''kulnlruskii''? -- nitcion kulnlruskii - russian culture. tutrlrosia - Russia. Or use the gismu for the source languages of lojban... PS: Love to see you come up with an autonym for Polynesian... ''mononesian?'' * Not antonym, but autonym: self-designation The above is a list of all the cultures that Lojban currently has gismu for, plus a couple of others. If there is another culture you'd like the word for, then by all means, add it. We have a gismu for __Antarctica__? ''Sure thing. __dzipo__ (I understand it's from __cadzu cipni__, land of the walking birds (i.e. penguins)'' It even has __two__ short rafsi: -zip- and -zi'o-.